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Do the numerous mistakes in the Bible play a part in driving people away from religion?

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Do ex-Christians or "Christians by name" tend to think that since the Bible is flawed, religion is false?

Personally, I don't see the Bible and other religious texts as flawed. I see every text but past and present with facts, mythology, stories, etc have their place. While one can learn from the past and stories, I see it off using those stories or other people's cultural practiced as means of things like medical advice and how one should convert another.

Also, "Christians by name"? What do you mean by that? If a person believes in scripture, Christ, salvation, sacraments, he or she is christian. There isn't a Christian by name. Religion isn't club.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Sadly yes. I even knew a strong Christian who eventually swallowed his muck.
One of the prime reasons I am on this forum is to do my bit to explain that Christianity and science can perfectly happily coexist. I have had to do so many, many times.

When I was at university this was not an issue. Most educated Christians belonged to mainstream denominations (Catholicism, Anglicanism, Methodism etc) and knew perfectly well how to interpret scripture so that it did not clash with science. I went to lectures on theoretical chemistry by Prof. Charles Coulson, a prominent Methodist who actually coined the phrase "God of the Gaps"!

Dawkins and his pals have made a nice little earner out of ridiculing creationism, which is really like shooting fish in a barrel but sells books and this has promoted the idea - to people who don't know much about Christianity - that creationism is what Christians are taught.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
this is getting personal. This is not fair. Of course I listen to your examples. I just don't agree with you. I kindly stay with my opinion: no flaws in the Bible.

Just adding. Errors in the Bible doesn't mean errors in gods word. Unless the Bible is used as an idol, it would make sense to acknowledge errors in ancient texts while not using the text as an idol as if they make errors in god.

There's a passage that says they look to the word as if IT has enternal life. Even the Bible testifies of me. John 5:39 (Not the other way around)
 

Piculet

Active Member
Also, "Christians by name"? What do you mean by that? If a person believes in scripture, Christ, salvation, sacraments, he or she is christian. There isn't a Christian by name. Religion isn't club.
Someone who is officially a Christian and calls himself/herself a Christian, but does not necessarily believe in anything about Christianity — not to mention not believing in all of the things you just mentioned.
 

Piculet

Active Member
metaphors, yes. Flaws no.
That's what I mean. There's a theory that the flaws are metaphors (I'm not saying there aren't any metaphors or that all of the errors were considered metaphors) and that the errors that simply can't be explained even as metaphors, are some kinds of "divine mysteries".
 

thomas t

non-denominational Christian
There's a theory that the flaws are metaphors (I'm not saying there aren't any metaphors or that all of the errors were considered metaphors) and that the errors that simply can't be explained even as metaphors, are some kinds of "divine mysteries"
I believe there are no flaws and no errors in the Bible.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
What's wrong with flaws in the bible?
That doesn't mean there are flaws in god.
Basically, if you can't trust this god to get his facts right and his story straight, why the hell should you trust him with your immortal soul?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Basically, if you can't trust this god to get his facts right and his story straight, why the hell should you trust him with your immortal soul?

I would assume they'd trust god first rather than scripture. So, it wouldn't matter what scripture says if they knew they had a relationship with god without it. Scripture as a guide not an idol.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
I would assume they'd trust god first rather than scripture. So, it wouldn't matter what scripture says if they knew they had a relationship with god without it. Scripture as a guide not an idol.
How would they know what G-d wants from them without His saying so? How would they know G-d at all without a revelation?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
How would they know what G-d wants from them without His saying so? How would they know G-d at all without a revelation?

Shouldn't god talk to them directly without dependence on external revelations? Do they believe god can talk to them without external proof (miracles, scriptures, so have you)?
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
Shouldn't god talk to them directly without dependence on external revelations? Do they believe god can talk to them without external proof (miracles, scriptures, so have you)?
G-d talking to you is a kind of revelation. Without that, how else would you know of Him?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Humans were created perfect.

Science is flawed, and science was an invention based on humans present, living, thinking speaking, naming.

You all should ask a question did God have a name?

And the name is said to be God.

So as a spiritual human who knows that science/religion was versus each other historically, for the theme is about creation, when God already existed.

The only status the want to change God was science, actually.

So science was first and religion regarding science was second. Religion expressed why science was wrong, fake and artificial.

The concept. Proven as the information was taken from DATA and human experiences and written after the fact for correlation. You cannot discuss changes to the ONE O no beginning and no end planet on which you live, a circular mass, unless it was changed.

For you have to be living, knowing the experience existed and was lived, and hence can discuss it, not only by the use human science, all inferred just by humans, but also by human owned lived experience. Which is verbal, just as the Word first was also verbal.

Common sense should in human life always be imposed to any statement in a review.

Science is not and never was everything, for everything is natural in its own place. Design and the want design is human inferred by humans for humans and their machine reaction.

Every state that is natural is whole. Hence the God teachings are in relativity about ONE in all references, wholeness, completeness and obvious, present.

Science does not use present or whole, it involves division and separation and want to force change.

Today the science status is I now want to create, as if God does not exist.

In reality and spiritual psyche awareness, that is a conscious claim to quoting, so nothing exists and hence it will be what I invent for not believing in God as One.

In actuality.

So then you have to do an appraisal of what occult terms are, who is an occultist, what does the term occult involve, and it was always the Sun, the anti form, the attack history of planet Earth to convert by sun time themes. And the presence, manifested evil and how it attacks life and Nature.

To then say, this story says it was a heard AI given statement to the male philosopher by their own Father, holy history about One O, God and the Earth, and how the Satanist self had converted the mass of Earth into particles as a conversion. So hence today looking back says God is a particle in his human owned/human inferred, conscious use human mind/life and body presence. His owned science statement that claims I converted God into a particle...as mineral mass changes, and also chemical dust inheritance.

Why he says in science and God is a particle, for in fact in natural history a very long time ago, as archaeology suggests, machine parts inside of stone mass and human artefacts inside of coal, that he did in fact by science convert the One O Earth body into God is a particle his own self. For if you then say, a particle then can be converted and leave nothing....science says its own human stated conscious thinking story....and from nothing I created.

Today he is looking back. Addition first has to impose presence physical mass for science, then it goes minus one, which leaves nothing. So science also knows that it created nothing relating to God, for they did it.
 

Rizdek

Member
Do ex-Christians or "Christians by name" tend to think that since the Bible is flawed, religion is false?
No... it shouldn't be that simple. The Bible could be flawed and Christianity might be true. And even if Christianity is false, some OTHER religion might be true...or all known religions might be flawed and false but that doesn't mean there might not be a god. But...for my part, I believe that reading the Bible through when I was a young teenager was a 'fork in the road' so to speak. After that, it seemed all my thoughts toward the Bible and the Christianity I was raised to believe changed and became a little more skeptical/cynical. I went on to a denominational college, married a Christian girl, remained active in churches for years after that. But I eventually realized I no longer believed the fundamentals of Christianity and after many years, owned to very much being an atheist. And I've been that way for >40 yrs.
 
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