oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Not Israel. Palestine.Jesus was surrounded by Jews in Israel and was Himself a Jew. Why do you think that John would mean anything than the Jewish teachers and scribes etc when he said that "the Jews" asked Him such and such or accused Him of such and such. The clear story is that Jesus was against the leaders and not the ordinary people.
Why do you put the actions of Christendom down to some words in the gospels. The whole gospel story, each of them, says that the Jewish leaders were the instigators of Jesus death and the Romans did the execution and that most Jews did not believe in Jesus in the end.
If people wanted to hate Jews (against the plain teachings of Jesus) that is not because of the use of the words "the Jews".
Jesus was a Jew in a Palestine province surrounded by working Jews.
They were horribly managed by the Levite priesthood and the Baptist and Jesus both were pulling hard...... for them.
Matthew needed to copy Mark's gospel. That tells me that he was not there, not a disciple, just an apostle promoting the Faith like Luke.I don't think I said that John was referring to the priesthood especially. I said that John (the evangelist) was writing about the Jewish leaders (scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees and anyone else who could be put under that umbrella).
I think I was guessing that the whole generation in general was obnoxious. Matt 3:7 says that John was speaking to the Pharisees and Sadducees when he said that and not to the people in general. Luke at Luke 3:7 may have meant that. Or maybe it was just the style of speaker John was, telling it like he saw it, he condemned everyone and told everyone to produce fruit of repentance and not just start calling Abraham their father and relying on that.
I tend to follow Mark less the later additions and fiddlings.
Pilate didn't want Jesus killed.I got it from the stories of the condemnation of Jesus. It says that the Chief Priests and Elders persuaded the crowd to say they wanted Barabbas released. The crowd may have had a liking for Barabbas anyway (I'm not sure where you get the idea that he was loved by all) since he fought against the Romans, but one would think that they would have wanted Jesus of Nazareth released. I imagine it would have been easy to tell the people that if Jesus was really the Messiah He would not be killed, otherwise if not He deserved death. (another guess of course-------I guess with the assumption that the Bible is all true and you seem to guess with the assumption that the Bible is not all true.)
Pilate was deeply irritated by the Sanhedrin, the whole bunch of them.
There is evidence that could suggest that Jesus survived that last day.
I think it's time for me to start a thread just about that.