Resurrection

[King Phenomenon]

Resurrection is a pretty hard pill to swallow. I'm guessing that it's metaphorical to something. I find it hard to say a man rose from the dead 2000 years ago. If one says they saw a human rise from the dead today they would be called delusional. What could his resurrection mean or what does it really mean?

It's probably a metaphor for him going to heaven.

 

[Kenny]

Resurrection is a pretty hard pill to swallow. I'm guessing that it's metaphorical to something. I find it hard to believe a man rose from the dead 2000 years ago. If one says they believe a human rose from the dead today they would be called delusional. What could his resurrection mean or what does it really mean?

Well, with 500 witnesses and an empty tomb, I don't think its metaphorical.Even Paul was convinced.

What can it mean?

That He has the power to resurrect those who die to eternal life.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Resurrection is a pretty hard pill to swallow. I'm guessing that it's metaphorical to something. I find it hard to believe a man rose from the dead 2000 years ago. If one says they believe a human rose from the dead today they would be called delusional. What could his resurrection mean or what does it really mean?

It's probably a metaphor for him going to heaven.

I'd say it's metaphorical. The gap between 2,000 some odd years and today isn't "that" big; so, unless god is an "actual" being, it would be odd to see a man just rise out of no where but then god, who is eternal, "decides" not to do the same thing today. What is puzzling is that god can make humans rise but then asked what god is, not many christians describe it as an entity/being but more of a mystery, faith, love, or experience type of thing. So, it is confusing. Unless someone is indoctrinated in it however means to where it's hard to see otherwise, the time lapse is so short that I don't see how it can be explained logically. Maybe spiritually (jesus rose to "show" that christians will rise to just as he) but his flesh actually rising? That kinda sounds counterproductive that the flesh is sin and the spirit is not.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Do you think God hsd limits?

 

[Valjean]

Well, with 500 witnesses and an empty tomb, I don't think its metaphorical.Even Paul was convinced.

What can it mean?

That He has the power to resurrect those who die to eternal life.

What witnesses? I've read accounts of this, but none of them first person or reliable. Most amount to hearsay and folklore, or religious propaganda.
The biblical gospels themselves report differing accounts of the tomb and resurrection.story

 

[sun rise]

According to the Quran and legends in India, Jesus did not die as Christians believe.

 

[Thief]

Resurrection is a pretty hard pill to swallow. I'm guessing that it's metaphorical to something. I find it hard to say a man rose from the dead 2000 years ago. If one says they saw a human rise from the dead today they would be called delusional. What could his resurrection mean or what does it really mean?

It's probably a metaphor for him going to heaven.

yeah.....I believe the resurrection is spiritual

 

[rational experiences]

Lying is a part of science, the belief that you are allowed to change natural history.

Group cult mentality.

Then the group claims, yes we got attacked by our own science cause false Prophet of the mountain claim ^ pyramid, knew it attacked us, activated natural disasters, and then thought "lucky to still be alive". Even though sacrificed human life, like UFO victims today, animals alike were being attacked. Witnessed attack, but greedy elitists, always ignore correct advice until they get attacked.

Common human behaviour in greedy organization.

So Rome historically is told that it ignored advice about Temple/Pyramid technology and the Jewish community said that their life was being sacrificed, even though they petitioned for it to be ceased/stopped.

Rome then got attacked knew it was real and banned the technology. History says the real story.

Common sense, we live in a gas lit burning heavenly upper body that gets cooled, by the void or vacuum, gases on the face of water in space teaching.

Consciousness gained advice living inside of that gas alight atmosphere.

Stone as God mass origin ONE O did not own facial gas alight burning. Its gases/spirit is said to be inside of a tomb of deceased spirits, the gases as cold gases.

Relative ancient scientific symbolism teaching.

So when you resurrect light out of God, and make its spirit come alive, then hot burning gases come out of the ground. Whereas in the atmosphere not only does water cool the gases, so does the spatial vacuum, which the ground did not own.

How life got sacrificed. The detail and reason/DATA written as a story after the fact detailed why life got sacrificed.

For the sacrifice crucifixion worst attack, did not occur until ground activation caused it.....life however was already being attacked, and the story says so factually.

 

[Fool]

Resurrection is a pretty hard pill to swallow. I'm guessing that it's metaphorical to something. I find it hard to say a man rose from the dead 2000 years ago. If one says they saw a human rise from the dead today they would be called delusional. What could his resurrection mean or what does it really mean?

It's probably a metaphor for him going to heaven.

resurrection of the spirit Daniel 12:2 vs the spiritually dead. Matthew 23:27

 

[The Anointed]

According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time, a living universal being who is all that exists, and in who, all that is, exists. A universe that exists in the two states of seemingly visible matter and invisible energy.

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non-being, and again from non-being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all, the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.

‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

Enoch the righteous, wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in Space-Time, but not in our time.

A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are born again into the endless cycles of physical manifestation, or rebirths.

According to the pseudepigrapha of the OT, When the body of Adam was being prepared to be placed in the sarcophagus, Jahel, Lord to the glory of the creator said to him; "Dust though art and to dust you will return, but I promise that when the resurrection comes around again, I will raise you and all your seed.

As each universe descends into the bottomless pit (The Great Abyss) and is returned to the electromagnetic energy from which it was created, that universe is resurrected to continue on in the process of evolution.

Enoch was carried to the ends of time, where he witnessed the heavens burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into the Great Abyss (Black Hole) which Enoch describes as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, beyond which there was nothing.

It was from the writings of the righteous Enoch, that Peter learned that this period of universal activity will come to an end. 2 Peter 3: 10; "But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that Day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth with everything in it will vanish."

The early Christians cherished the books of Enoch the prophet, right up until the fourth century, when under the ban of dogmatic authorities of the Roman Church of Emperor Constantine, such as Hilary, Jerome, and Augustine, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought lost for Millennia.

 

[Aupmanyav]

If one says they saw a human rise from the dead today they would be called delusional.

Not just that he resurrected, but also raised someone else from death.

 

[Prim969]

What witnesses? I've read accounts of this, but none of them first person or reliable. Most amount to hearsay and folklore, or religious propaganda.
The biblical gospels themselves report differing accounts of the tomb and resurrection.story

What witnesses. Valjean what of the Sadducee’s they never believed in the afterlife they certainly were not no friends of Jesus. All they had to do was find the body and Christianity would have ceased to exist there and than. They certainly had the means and power to do so. But they could never locate the body. As to the 4 gospel accounts being different well of course. There would be something terribly wrong if they were exactly the same. Actually they would be dismissed as evidence if they were exactly the same. As to wittiness accounts at what period do you think accounts were written ?

 

[danieldemol]

What witnesses. Valjean what of the Sadducee’s they never believed in the afterlife they certainly were not no friends of Jesus. All they had to do was find the body and Christianity would have ceased to exist there and than. They certainly had the means and power to do so. But they could never locate the body. As to the 4 gospel accounts being different well of course. There would be something terribly wrong if they were exactly the same. Actually they would be dismissed as evidence if they were exactly the same. As to wittiness accounts at what period do you think accounts were written ?

The Jews would not have known that Christianity would become important enough to take custody of the body at the time and by the time Constantine converted and it became important enough no one even knew where the grave was.

 

[Prim969]

The Jews would not have known that Christianity would become important enough to take custody of the body at the time and by the time Constantine converted and it became important enough no one even knew where the grave was.

Daniel I do think the Jewish establishment knew full well how dangerous the Christian Faith had already effected their own status quo much earlier than you have mentioned, I do refer all the way back to pre-70 AD times. You only need to read through the book of Acts to see how much persecution the Christian church came under from Judaism, hundreds of years before Constantine came into being. Who only legalised Christianity with the edict of Milan amongst the many religions that were accepted by Rome at the time. it wasn’t until Emperor Theodosius who legally made Christianity the official state religion of the empire in 380 AD. As to Israel’s leadership knowing anything of Constantine's influence from 312 AD onwards. I dare say that they knew absolutely nothing of what you have mentioned . Simply because Israel had ceased to exist as a nation from 70 AD.

 

[Aupmanyav]

According to the Quran and legends in India, Jesus did not die as Christians believe.

It is a late 19th Century legend.

"In 1887, a Russian war correspondent, Nicolas Notovitch, claimed that while at the Hemis Monastery in Ladakh, he had learned of a document called the "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men" – Isa being the Arabic name of Jesus in Islam.

.. and Max Müller stated that either the monks at the monastery had deceived Notovitch (or played a joke on him), or he had fabricated the evidence. Müller then wrote to the monastery at Hemis and the head lama replied that there had been no Western visitor at the monastery in the past fifteen years and there were no documents related to Notovitch's story. J. Archibald Douglas then visited Hemis monastery and interviewed the head lama who stated that Notovitch had never been there. Indologist Leopold von Schroeder called Notovitch's story a "big fat lie".
Unknown years of Jesus - Wikipedia

 

[Aupmanyav]

What witnesses. Valjean what of the Sadducee’s they never believed in the afterlife they certainly were not no friends of Jesus. All they had to do was find the body and Christianity would have ceased to exist there and than.

Was Jesus important to anyone after his crucifixion, other than his 11 remaining disciples, his mother, his step-brothers, Mary of Magdala, and some other people. He was just one more rebel whom the Sanhedrin and the Romans disposed of, and forgot about. The resurrection story was the work of believers and writers after his death.

 

[The Anointed]

Was Jesus important to anyone after his crucifixion, other than his 11 remaining disciples, his mother, his step-brothers, Mary of Magdala, and some other people. He was just one more rebel whom the Sanhedrin and the Romans disposed of, and forgot about. The resurrection story was the work of believers and writers after his death.

Come on mate, You say that the resurrection story was the work of believers 'AFTER HIS DEATH,? Surely you don't expect anyone to think the resurrection story was the work of believers 'BEFORE HIS DEATH' ?

You ask the question, "Was Jesus important to anyone after his crucifixion?" Go and ask the millions upon millions of Christians today.

Do you even know what you're talking about son?

 

[The Anointed]

Not just that he resurrected, but also raised someone else from death.

He didn't resurrect, he 'WAS' resurrected by the Lord God our savior, who filled him with his spirit. He may have resuscitated those in a near death situation, but those bodies have long since returned to the elements from which they were created.

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our saviour) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who had filled his earthly temple, (The man Jesus) with his spirit=words, who said through his obedient servant Jesus; “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

You had better stick to what you know, because you know next to nothing about the christian scriptures.

 

[Prim969]

Was Jesus important to anyone after his crucifixion, other than his 11 remaining disciples, his mother, his step-brothers, Mary of Magdala, and some other people. He was just one more rebel whom the Sanhedrin and the Romans disposed of, and forgot about. The resurrection story was the work of believers and writers after his death.

Aupmanyav was Jesus really that important you ask. Seems that he was a very important. At least with his enemies amongst the Jewish religion and Jewish leadership of the time, Even if they only saw him a blasphemer and meaningless rebel. But it seems that this meaningless Rebel that you have mentioned was much more important than others. After all he had the chief priests and Pharisees rather concerned for they did call apon Pilate enquiring of him about Roman soldiers for a guard to seal and protect the tomb for the number of days. Pilate replies you have your watch make sure as you can. And so they did. Matthew 27: 62-66

 

[Aupmanyav]

Many stories, almost nearly all, even if Jesus was a historical person after his death.

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”
You had better stick to what you know, because you know next to nothing about the christian scriptures.

What a funny thing to say! I say destroy the White House and I will build it again in one hour, knowing fully well that they are not going to test me.
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