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Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
Holy Spirit gives me the power to do the same things Jesus did. I am just looking for proof. Is there ANYTHING you or anyone else can show that they did that is the same as something Jesus did. This ability should not be hidden from view but should be readily visible for all to see.
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
Holy Spirit gives me the power to do the same things Jesus did. I am just looking for proof. Is there ANYTHING you or anyone else can show that they did that is the same as something Jesus did. This ability should not be hidden from view but should be readily visible for all to see.
By what authority do you say,

"This ability should not be hidden from view but should be readily visible for all to see?"
Did you get the idea from the scriptures, the Koran, Tao Te Ching, or is your own reasoning? Seems like you are basing a lot on the statement, so be sure you have good reason to believe it's true.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
I trust you understand the many places in the scriptures that say one must believe before seeing a miracle or healing.

Now consider the times in which the Bible stories take place vs. our own modern times. Most notably, society as a whole did not revere science as we do today. They did not have x-ray machines that would reveal to the sick person how bad off they really were. Can you understand that may be part of the reason we don't see people believing to be healed? They see the x-ray full of white spots and it is proof positive they have cancer or whatever.

But we are always free to ask ourselves, "do I believe God or my own two eyes?"

Of course, if the orthodox church got off it's butt and started to actually believe and act on the things Jesus said, then slowly but surely God would triumph over people's own eyes. It would be Acts in living color.

Acts 19:20,

So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.​

God's word not science, prevailed in their minds. That is precisely why I pray for a revival in the church, to get back to simple faith in the one true God instead of the god of science before which we so easily prostate ourselves while leaving God out in the cold. It's gotta stop.

How much faith did Lazarus have?

NONE, he was dead.

So your argument has no teeth.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
By what authority do you say,

"This ability should not be hidden from view but should be readily visible for all to see?"
Did you get the idea from the scriptures, the Koran, Tao Te Ching, or is your own reasoning? Seems like you are basing a lot on the statement, so be sure you have good reason to believe it's true.


(1Cor.2:4) - And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power

Where is the demonstration of spirit and POWER?
 

Nova2216

Active Member
Here are the points I covered which which you seem to disagree:
  1. When the water finally dries, I'm left with nothing but maybe cleaner skin or clothes. But holy spirit will never leave. - Do you believe the incorruptible seed is not really incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23)?
  2. Water doesn't give me any spiritual ability but holy spirit gives me the power to do the same things Jesus did, and more. - how is it that you do not believe Acts 1:8?
  3. Water is an outside job whereas holy spirit is an inside job. - Is Christ not in you (Col 1:27)?
  4. Another person baptizes me in water whereas Jesus himself baptizes me in holy spirit. - Do you know any record where Jesus baptized in water? If not, doesn't that strike you as odd?
  5. John baptized in water, but Jesus baptizes in holy spirit. John is dead but Jesus is alive and well. - Hopefully I don't have to comment on that!
Please get specific and tell me where anything above is wrong. If you want to bring up any other verse that contradicts the above, please explain the contradiction.


Talk Talk Talk and no walk walk walk.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
By what authority do you say,

"This ability should not be hidden from view but should be readily visible for all to see?"
Did you get the idea from the scriptures, the Koran, Tao Te Ching, or is your own reasoning? Seems like you are basing a lot on the statement, so be sure you have good reason to believe it's true.
Did Jesus hide His abilities? People saw Him perform miracles. If there is one single person alive today that can do what Jesus did someone should have seen it done. You keep changing the subject. It is not about me saying something it is about you saying that you or anyone else can do what Jesus did. It should be very easy to give even one example.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
By what authority do you say,

"This ability should not be hidden from view but should be readily visible for all to see?"
Did you get the idea from the scriptures, the Koran, Tao Te Ching, or is your own reasoning? Seems like you are basing a lot on the statement, so be sure you have good reason to believe it's true.
Jesus says in Mathew 3:8 that we should let our talents be seen by others and thereby glorify God.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Here are the points I covered which which you seem to disagree:
  1. When the water finally dries, I'm left with nothing but maybe cleaner skin or clothes. But holy spirit will never leave. - Do you believe the incorruptible seed is not really incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23)?
  2. Water doesn't give me any spiritual ability but holy spirit gives me the power to do the same things Jesus did, and more. - how is it that you do not believe Acts 1:8?
  3. Water is an outside job whereas holy spirit is an inside job. - Is Christ not in you (Col 1:27)?
  4. Another person baptizes me in water whereas Jesus himself baptizes me in holy spirit. - Do you know any record where Jesus baptized in water? If not, doesn't that strike you as odd?
  5. John baptized in water, but Jesus baptizes in holy spirit. John is dead but Jesus is alive and well. - Hopefully I don't have to comment on that!
Please get specific and tell me where anything above is wrong. If you want to bring up any other verse that contradicts the above, please explain the contradiction.
This has nothing to do with incorruptible seed. It has to do with the fact that Jesus was baptized in water. Didn't need cleansing. He set the pace for his disciples.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If you are discussing Jesus as an adult male in the sciences, as the equal adult male, then would you not be using your own conscious ability to know what being life changed as a human/cell and DNA meant?

In science reasoning?

Now would you also not claim...the same NOBLE GASES, nobility means the spirit gases in science...for science is not discussing the creation of human life.

For everyone living today in the statements of science, which no science male self imposes...is that everyone of you came from sperm and an ovary, which is not any Jesus information whatsoever....HUMAN SEX.

Science cannot use human sex in a machine/pyramid temple formula or a theme, studying ancient technology for modern day human built machines owned and controlled by the theist/designer human being male his own self.

So then science says, I will talk about the first 2 original human beings their own self....well they are dead and owned death and dead bodies within the SAME atmospheric NOBLE GASES as a living human does.

If you own the want of your own destruction, which the BIBLE in occult science proposes SATANISM...meaning heated UFO cold radiation mass....for it is heated in our bio owned alight atmosphere, then the documents state you will all die from a sacrificed human life....for the first 2 human parents are deceased.

So when science tells science, science you are WRONG....all bodies no matter what form you look at, whether it be a pile of bones, or a living bio cell, exists as that body in the SAME EQUAL and exact atmospheric condition.

So told you the relativity of equals says in the past it was ADAM/ADAM.

Proven today to be ADAM/JESUS.

So the scientific proof said from the times of ADAM, life has changed and been destroyed and converted as that proof against self want of human destruction.

How the RELATIVITY about planet Earth, given a GOD O entity one named condition ST ONE...the ONE body is first STONE. And males in a world science agreement against occult nuclear UFOLOGISTS said....their is only ONE BODY...and that is the first and ORIGINAL BODY....the body of STONE.

And hence you cannot own nor practice science of the UFO. Simple fact of a self human teaching to a lying occult group coercive history. Believe or I will harm you preaching/ownership status...either as the first status.....if you do not let me do science I will murder you. Did science murdered our life. Then said if you do science I will murder you.

That sort of male mentality that proves it owns a mental health conscious expression of being a self destructive human liar, historically and living in modern day themes of reviews also.

Therefore if an assessment said ADAM/JESUS then males said IT IS FINISHED...and meant it.

Now you if you think today we are JESUS...how life is sacrificed today is nothing at all like JESUS historically was. It is similar because we are human if you owned any use of a rational human thought or expression....but it will never be the same for science and machine changed.

In the times of Jesus, the ground fission was not removing and converting the HOLY DUST chemicals back to a sludge. As science owns all science reasoning, if you are unable to quantify that reasoning your owned selves as males and scientists then obviously you cannot think correctly.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
This has nothing to do with incorruptible seed. It has to do with the fact that Jesus was baptized in water. Didn't need cleansing. He set the pace for his disciples.

Actually it does have something to do with the incorruptible seed, the word of God (1Peter 1:22,23). The SEED is the word of God (Luke 8:11). That gospel message (the SEED) is planted in the heart (or mind of man). If that person has a good and honest heart that seed will produce faith in the individual.

That faith will lead him / her to believe TRUTH (Jn 8:24), confession that Jesus is the Son of God (Rom.10:9.10), repent of sins (Luke 13:3), be baptized for the remission of sins (in water) (Acts 2:38 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 22:16) according to the will of God, and live a holy lifestyle (Rev.2:10) (1Cor.15:58).

That is being born again or becoming a Christian.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
In (1Cor.12:13) we read the following.

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body.


We have two elements.

1. The Spirit instructs one how to be baptized correctly.

In (Heb.10:8) we read - Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

I know of no one who would contend that the Law got up and offered a sacrifice literally.

The idea is that the people offered the sacrifices according to how the OT Law instructed.



2. Being baptized for the remission of sins (in water) (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 22:16)

(Acts 8) proves that baptism is in water.

(1Peter 3:21) proves that baptism has a part in the saving of man.

This means before being baptized in water man must be lost spiritually.


New Testament Baptism: In Water or the Spirit?

By Wayne Jackson

Check out this lesson.

New Testament Baptism: In Water or the Spirit?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
When a scientist said that the life of a newly born baby, Genesis is born every year in ICE returned/newly arrived and reformed, then he did.

Said it was part of human biological self science study in medical terms/references about the conditions on Earth + 4 of the sea of the son.

Meaning I am a human, I am a male, a whole group of males same life owner DNA historically invented science.

Science says, yes it is proven that the first original human beings as parents all owned the same DNA life body.

Hence the scientist was a multi mass male DNA group in a human agreement, as compared to one individual self experience.

So one male who got attacked and a medical reference was inferred lived that experience versus his sick in the head occult science human lying brother.

Proven historically to be a true liar in science of the OCCULT...UFO model.

Male said I got sacrificed due to changes to the body of WOOD, Tree of life, which means I factually live after the Nature Garden, not before it, yet my science theory, ground fission reaction was before the Nature Garden was living.

Actually, in common sense, rational thinking as a human, thinking and telling stories as a human for humans as a human.

If I told everyone that in the past GIANTS lived on the Earth and before them man/Garden Nature was living, then he told that story as a male science self today looking back.

So then archaeologists say....yes is proven.....human males did science a long time ago and mutated life on Earth, the garden Nature tree life was changed and animals…..the dinosaurs were living instead of humans.

Real story, real theme.

ICE and the death of a dinosaur relativity to why our life reincarnated and returned as a human telling the whole story. I did it to myself he said for proclaiming that I was a GOD O owning pi reasoning/meaning.

To the spirit gases of God the stone floating and moving on the face of water in the great deep of space. Meaning of which is the presence natural atmosphere.

When you are a human you cannot be a thought. For you own life to be enabled to think in complete self human form.

ICE melted, put back into the atmosphere the ground mass water evaporation that formed to invent new amounts of cloud mass so that it can cool the burning gases in radiation UFO mass....as caused by dim-witted lying male occult human scientists.

Nature O God the Earth owned the spatial cosmological attack of the Sun, you were not even existing then. So what has that history to do with a scientist?

You reviewed that history and tried to copy it...which means in human teaching you are the DESTROYER of our life on Earth as a matter of human fact.

Machines do not exist so then nor does science in natural relativity.

If a human is hurt, then human awareness learnt how to help and assist that harmed human. Another matter of fact.

Christ is stated to be the higher natural gas comments about NOBLE GASES.

Natural humans just say the atmosphere exists and it is the same atmosphere that supports a human dying and being dead, as it supports a living human....SAME atmosphere.

If science said that Jesus Christ is the atmosphere and it owns sacrificing our life, owning all human experiences of ill health and early age death....then he confessed it real.

He said Satanic UFO attack irradiated attacked it...so it has remained sacrificed and burning too much gas mass that once supported natural life to be healthier.

Christ 1000
Satan 1000 equated to Jesus Christ 0 irradiating abominating atmospheric spatial womb body. Mother of the causation of Jesus.

Human reasoning why did the IMMACULATE spirits in the Earth heavens cause our life to be attacked and sacrificed?

The answer equated to JESUS reasoning.

It said in the past ADAM/ADAM was the reference to after cold zero 0

0 AD.......AM

Reasoning, why did we get attacked.

BC 0 AD…….JESUS he said......heated space radiation mass that did not allow the Immaculate to exist...for the newly born baby DNA GENETIC LIFE returned was sacrificed again in the Year 33 AD.

No longer 0 AD.

Probability future MATHS equating said all of the future attacks on Earth are equated...and will be lived and realised proclaiming that our science review about never change O God the Earth is real.

And it was proven.

Teaching, males said I will call looking back and being evil thinking about death...where death is, the past....is the past. Then I will state and the future from the past is the PRESENT.

So the GIFT of life, by males in science looking back into the past, to return to the future to own the PRESENT proved that they changed what was owned by the past. EVOLUTION and cold.

And it had been proven.

Males imposed past and future to science.

For if an intelligent human said.....Earth gases are all the same in the Heaven, and hence do not evolve into any higher state for a future.....then past/future equated to a scientific evaluation of why in the PRESENT life was being attacked.

Common human logic is applied in human reasoning which is not scientific.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
In (Jn. 3:6) Jesus is contrasting the physical world with the spiritual kingdom of Christ.

Lu 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

It is confusing to ask "what is spirit is spirit".

You must ask "what is born of spirit is spirit"?

This is the new birth or the conversion of a sinner to saved (a Christian).

How is one "born of spirit"?


What Does It Mean To Be a Born Again Christian?

By Wayne Jackson
 
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rrobs

Well-Known Member
How much faith did Lazarus have?

NONE, he was dead.

So your argument has no teeth.
Lazarus' sister believed for him.

John 11:22,

But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give [it] thee.
The centurion in Matthew 8:8 believing for his son's healing is another example. There are a few more like this in the scriptures.

Looks like my argument has shark's teeth after all.
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
(1Cor.2:4) - And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power

Where is the demonstration of spirit and POWER?
Well, since you don't even seem to believe in having been baptized in holy spirit and power, how would you expect to see them? They are there, but you must energize them as God gives you revelation.
 
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