Did you hear the one about the disappearing planet?

[ChristineM]

So they did not really know what they were talking about declaring this a planet. Got it.

When it finally became impossible to keep falsely calling this a planet, they changed their tune and are now scrambling for some 'plausible' (based on earth time and space and rules) explanation. That new explanation will last until they get busted again, and get back to making stuff fit in their belief based paradigm. Fine. That is science, we get it.



False. Nothing in the bible has been dismissed by any supposed evidence. Only replaced with beliefs that were chosen.


Heb 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

We stand on the Rock. Science stands on shifting sands.

I am pretty sure you can read although you come across as having more difficulty comprehending what is written. You also seem to gave difficulty getting past your cognitive dissonance.

What a load of garbage, DNA shows much of the OT is dismissed as nonsense and DNA cannot lie

 

[Revoltingest]

What a load of garbage, DNA shows much of the OT is dismissed as nonsense and DNA cannot lie

What about politician DNA?

 

[ChristineM]

What about politician DNA?

Ahh a catch 22!!!

Maybe not, its their mouths not their dna

 

[dad]

I am pretty sure you can read although you come across as having more difficulty comprehending what is written. You also seem to gave difficulty getting past your cognitive dissonance.

Have you the intellectual wherewithal to actually get to a point of some sort?

What a load of garbage, DNA shows much of the OT is dismissed as nonsense and DNA cannot lie

Unless nature was the same in Noah and Adam's day, obviously genetics could not work the same. That means we could not look at modern DNA to tell us about the far past. You always go back to preaching your same state past that cannot be supported.

 

[ChristineM]

Have you the intellectual wherewithal to actually get to a point of some sort?



Unless nature was the same in Noah and Adam's day, obviously genetics could not work the same. That means we could not look at modern DNA to tell us about the far past. You always go back to preaching your same state past that cannot be supported.

 

[oldbadger]

They have to work with the belief system they have. They have to fit everything in somehow.

'They'?
And here is you, using a computer and Internet Technology, and most probably with your electrical gadgets at home and with your internal combustion powered vehicle etc etc etc. ..... you use all the modern discoveries whilst rubbishing the science that provides them.

No 1st century oil lamps for you, methinks. The hypocrisy of science beneficiaries who rubbish science.

Science is objective research anmd discovery.

Well, for grasping at cosmic straws trying to claim there are planets out there for one thing. Maybe there are. Maybe there are not. Since no distances or sizes of any stellar objects are known, what we actually see out there may be nothing like they fantasize. A so-called planet could be bigger or smaller. All the assumptions tacked on to what we see out there depend on distances being correct. If something is actually, for example, four light months away, rather than say, a billion light-years away, that changes how big it is! That changes the nature of what we are actually seeing. That changes how big the orbit actually is etc etc etc etc etc.
So when we see some so-called planet disappear it is no problem for me. They have no clue what they see anyhow!

I'll bet that you think that the Hubble telescope is fake!

Link? Let's show you wrong.

You don't need a link to know that you ran away when I showed you the first three days of the last week in Jesus's mission by G-Mark and then showed you how G-John is a complete and absolute pathetic fabrication because he was not there! Remember? That's only a couple of days ago.

Now ditch all that wonderful technology discovered by science and get yourself a clay oil lamp and learn how to shred fibres for clothing and footwear.

 

[dad]

'They'?

Yes, people using the so-called science belief-based methods.

And here is you, using a computer and Internet Technology, and most probably with your electrical gadgets at home and with your internal combustion powered vehicle etc etc etc. ..... you use all the modern discoveries whilst rubbishing the science that provides them.

None of which has anything whatsoever to do with a same nature on earth in the far past. Strawman.

Science is objective research anmd discovery.

Origins fables that are considered science are biased beliefs and truth avoidance.

I'll bet that you think that the Hubble telescope is fake!

No. The issue is explaining what is seen.

You don't need a link to know that you ran away when I showed you the first three days of the last week in Jesus's mission by G-Mark and then showed you how G-John is a complete and absolute pathetic fabrication because he was not there! Remember? That's only a couple of days ago.

Oh, the ignorant blasphemy junk. One does not run away from a pile of manure so much as one avoids spending too much time around it.

You had the chance to prove your charges and offered nothing but innuendos and doubts.

Pretty pathetic when you spam a thread with off-topic biased foolishness and then claim someone ran away.

 

[night912]

Make up your mind before declaring you are right! 'It is it is not, it is, it is not...

Why do think they didn't declare it? Could it be that they didn't know for sure. Obviously they didn't use dad's method of doing things....
dad: The universe wasn't like it is today.
Kid: How was it like.
dad: Time works differently back then.
Kid: Interesting. How did you find out it was like that
dad: Because I know time was different then.
Kid: So you measured it? Radiometric dating?
dad: No. You can't date it because time was different back then.
Kid: So how did you know that it was different?
dad: Because time today is different from back then.
Kid: I know you said that, but how did you know it was like that?
dad: Because time worked differently.
Kid: So you don't actually know?
dad: I do know. Prove that time was the same.
Kid: You said we can't date anything from the past. Can you explain your method so I can also know that time was different?
dad: .......*silence*.....
Kid: Please?
dad: .....*silence*.....
Kid: Anytime now.

we are right whatever we declare because in any event whatever it turns out to be we predicted it

!! Nice.

So that's how time works. Got it.

There is a whole set of beliefs that go into declaring what is a planet out in deep space. Not least of these is the beliefs that determine how far away the object is. (they assume time exists out there as it does here for no reason and set distances/sizes accordingly)
Ha

Then it's about time you explain and teach them how time works out there. I'm sure your method of knowing that time is different in the past should work here too. Care to explain to us so we can pass it along to them? Hurry, with the virus going around, time is of the essence.

Kids know what they are taught. Sometimes they may even have little BS detectors and get suspicious of a load of nonsense that smells.

Ahhhhhh. So you did noticed my BS detector going off when I read the OP. I want to make sure that it was my detector because there are a lot of them here. And it's usually like fireworks going off whenever you post your replies.

 

[oldbadger]

Yes, people using the so-called science belief-based methods.

None of which has anything whatsoever to do with a same nature on earth in the far past. Strawman.

Oh, I'll bet you love your modern-science gizmos.

Origins fables that are considered science are biased beliefs and truth avoidance.

No. The issue is explaining what is seen.

Oh! You believe in the science that managed to get that wonderful telescope far above the Earth, but doubt what it can see...... Love it!

Oh, the ignorant blasphemy junk. One does not run away from a pile of manure so much as one avoids spending too much time around it.
You had the chance to prove your charges and offered nothing but innuendos and doubts.
Pretty pathetic when you spam a thread with off-topic biased foolishness and then claim someone ran away.

You led me there yourself, and then you 'cut and run'.
You just don't know what's written in the gospels........ eyes only for the bits that fit your very extreme views, methinks.

If you can't handle a gospel debate with me, don't ask for one, is all.

 

[Twilight Hue]

A guy walks into a bar....

well, actually science declared a planet (or exoplanet as it is called when it is really far away) existed.

The funny thing is that is up and disappeared. Not there. So, do we get an apology? No.

"What scientists thought was a planet beyond our solar system has 'vanished.' Though this happens to sci-fi worlds, scientists seek a more plausible explanation."

Exoplanet apparently disappears in latest Hubble observations

We get the usual scramble to find some 'plausible' (fishbowl) explanation. In other words they are busted and scrambling to cook up another whopper.

Kids, this is how cosmology works.

Must be foggy out there.

 

[dad]

Oh, I'll bet you love your modern-science gizmos.

I bet you would love to pretend there is some connection to inventions and your same nature in the past. Gong!

Oh! You believe in the science that managed to get that wonderful telescope far above the Earth, but doubt what it can see...... Love it!

No. We see what we see. I doubt your religious interpretation of what we see and why and when.

You led me there yourself, and then you 'cut and run'.
You just don't know what's written in the gospels........ eyes only for the bits that fit your very extreme views, methinks.

Nothing is there that never happened. Your grasping at straws to latch onto baseless doubts is not something I led you into.

If you can't handle a gospel debate with me, don't ask for one, is all.

There are threads for that. Although baseless doubts about what John really meant may not rank well on those either.

 

[dad]

Why do think they didn't declare it? Could it be that they didn't know for sure.

"What scientists thought was a planet beyond our solar system has 'vanished.' Though this happens to sci-fi worlds, scientists seek a more plausible explanation."

Obviously they didn't use dad's method of doing things....
dad: The universe wasn't like it is today.

I never said that. I do say that the universe is not how they claim it is today or ever.

Kid: How was it like.
dad: Time works differently back then.

No. We do not know what time is like in the far universe. Despite the claims of science that are based on assuming it is the same.

Kid: Interesting. How did you find out it was like that
dad: Because I know time was different then.

We do not know what the far universe is like in regards to the nature of time itself there. Careful though kids, science pretends it does know.

Kid: So you measured it? Radiometric dating?

No one has measured time in the far universe kids. Even if some people say the words radiometric dating as if that helped them seem smart, that does not even apply to the question here.

dad: No. You can't date it because time was different back then.
Kid: So how did you know that it was different?

What was different? If you are talking about nature on earth, science does not know it was different or the same. Period. The bible records the past as different.

Kid: You said we can't date anything from the past. Can you explain your method so I can also know that time was different?

Sure kid. I do not date things. It is science that claims to and it uses a belief based family of methods that they cannot support.

Then it's about time you explain and teach them how time works out there.

How would I know?? It is not I with the pretensions and claims.

I'm sure your method of knowing that time is different in the past should work here too.

You seem confused. A year was always a year here, we know how time works here.

 

[oldbadger]

I bet you would love to pretend there is some connection to inventions and your same nature in the past. Gong!

No. We see what we see. I doubt your religious interpretation of what we see and why and when.


Nothing is there that never happened. Your grasping at straws to latch onto baseless doubts is not something I led you into.

There are threads for that. Although baseless doubts about what John really meant may not rank well on those either.

So you love the science of all your conveniences whilst insulting science when it suits you?
Sadly there are many fibs in the gospels, but many truths. It's just a matter of objective investigation.

 

[blü 2]

A guy walks into a bar....

well, actually science declared a planet (or exoplanet as it is called when it is really far away) existed.

The funny thing is that is up and disappeared. Not there. So, do we get an apology? No.

"What scientists thought was a planet beyond our solar system has 'vanished.' Though this happens to sci-fi worlds, scientists seek a more plausible explanation."

Exoplanet apparently disappears in latest Hubble observations

We get the usual scramble to find some 'plausible' (fishbowl) explanation. In other words they are busted and scrambling to cook up another whopper.

Kids, this is how cosmology works.

Yo, Dad!

Yes, religion's the way! It makes absolutely certain it has no errors of fact, science, history or doctrine by absolutely never never checking for them!

Sure, a couple have slipped through. God had to change [his] mind about slavery (but [he] was able to hold out till after the US Civil War) and [he]'s had to learn the hard way that you can't just forbid contraception or divorce (you sort of mumble those parts instead), because otherwise all your parishioners will melt away, And [he]'s slowly having to see the light about alternatives to strict heterosexual sex for the same reason (helped by SCOTUS and successful referenda around the world in favor of gay marriage).

And there are some rules it seems smarter not to enforce because they're momentarily out of fashion, like not suffering a witch to live, not trimming your beard, avoiding all association with menstruating women, putting people to death for disrespecting their parents, selling your daughter &c.

But apart from those and a few more ... ahm ... adjustments, yup, being God is never having to say you're sorry!

(Never having to say it to fewer and fewer people, but never having to say it nonetheless.)

 

[dad]

So you love the science of all your conveniences whilst insulting science when it suits you?
Sadly there are many fibs in the gospels, but many truths. It's just a matter of objective investigation.

Name anything we see today that depends on nature you believe was the same in the past!?

 

[dad]

Yo, Dad!

Yes, religion's the way! It makes absolutely certain it has no errors of fact, science, history or doctrine by absolutely never never checking for them!

So when faced with gaping errors in what was expected in science you talk of other religions. OK.

Sure, a couple have slipped through. God had to change [his] mind about slavery (but [he] was able to hold out till after the US Civil War)

Continuing your religious hate fest we see you repeat false slander about what Scripture says on slaves. I guess God wanted them to build the tower of Babel also?

And [he]'s slowly having to see the light about alternatives to strict heterosexual sex for the same reason (helped by SCOTUS and successful referenda around the world in favor of gay marriage).

Now you tout iniquity as some justification for your hatred of God and Scripture and His people. OK.

And there are some rules it seems smarter not to enforce because they're momentarily out of fashion, like not suffering a witch to live, not trimming your beard, avoiding all association with menstruating women, putting people to death for disrespecting their parents, selling your daughter &c.

Now you want to pretend that bylaws for ancient Israel should represent what God says for secular societies of modern times. Dishonest.
Great defense for your own beliefs here.

 

[oldbadger]

Name anything we see today that depends on nature you believe was the same in the past!?

Huh?
What?
*Shrugs*

 

[dad]

Huh?
What?
*Shrugs*

Name anything in the world that is here because of a same nature in the past? (toaster, airplane, computer, etc etc)

 

[oldbadger]

Name anything in the world that is here because of a same nature in the past? (toaster, airplane, computer, etc etc)

Flax netting
Knife
Spear
Belt
Wine
Nail
.....................?

 

[dad]

Flax netting
Knife
Spear
Belt
Wine
Nail
.....................?

Explain how any of these things you see today would requite a same nature in the distant past? Ha.