Is Christian Mysticism Evil?

[3rdAngel]

You know nothing about Catholicism. Discussion with you is like talking to a brick.

Actually I believe I know more than you think. That is why you cannot respond to my questions I ask you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Actually I believe I know more than you think. That is why you cannot respond to my questions I ask you.

Do you cultivate the teaching every day? Using it in your daily life so you know the teaching inside out?

 

[3rdAngel]

He'll just make something up, like he did about Catholic Mysticism, which he knows nothing about, but feels obligated to denounce even though... Because Catholic = evil in his very basic mind frame of thinking.

Also, anything not Sola Scriptura is evil to him, which he also feels obligated to denounce publicly.

If you believe I have made anything up about Catholic mysticism that has its' origin pre christian from the occult prove it. If you cannot why say things that are not true?

 

[3rdAngel]

Do you cultivate the teaching every day? Using it in your daily life so you know the teaching inside out?

I do not follow the Roman Catholic teachings as I do not believe they are biblical. I do believe God has his people in every Church however even in the Catholic Church. I do indeed believe and follow the teachings of the bible. I believe it is only in the scriptures that we find God and it is only as we believe and follow God's Word that we can claim to be christians. I believe many of the Churchs professing Christianity have fallen away from the teachings of Gods' Word and God is calling us back to worship and follow him in Spirit and in truth according to his Word. Many will be called but few will hear God's Word and be chosen.

 

[Cooky]

If I believe I have made anything up about Catholic mysticism that has its' origin pre christian from the occult prove it. If you cannot why say things that are not true?

The garbage you've posted is not worth responding to. You are an anti-Catholic protestant through and through. There is no sense in wasting my time going back and finding what lies you told earlier.

I've given you pearl's... That was my mistake.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I do not follow the Roman Catholic teachings as I do not believe they are biblical. I do believe God has his people in every Church however even in the Catholic Church. I do indeed believe and follow the teachings of the bible. I believe it is only in the scriptures that we find God and it is only as we believe and follow God's Word that we can claim to be christians.

So you do not know the Gnostic texts from within Catholic practice? Or the texts that protestant Christianity has refused?

 

[3rdAngel]

So you do not know the Gnostic texts from within Catholic practice? Or the texts that protestant Christianity has refused?

Yes I am aware of them. Do I believe they represent God's Word? No.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes I am aware of them. Do I believe they represent God's Word? No.

As I said when I entered this conversation, I am no expert on Catholic faith, But one thing I get is that to really understand a teaching it is not enough to think that it is same as what we our self follows, So in this discussion I think it would be very good if one really understood the Catholic practice and not based it on what we think is correct. And since @Landon Caeli do practice Catholic faith it would seem clear that his understanding would be better than those who do not practice catholic faith, and it includes my self, since i am not cultivating catholic faith practice.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ If I believe I have made anything up about Catholic mysticism that has its' origin pre christian from the occult prove it. If you cannot why say things that are not true?

Your response...

The garbage you've posted is not worth responding to. You are an anti-Catholic protestant through and through. There is no sense in wasting my time going back and finding what lies you told earlier.

Thank you for proving my point. You cannot prove your claims can you

I've given you pearl's... That was my mistake

I see so you have provided me with scripture where exactly?

 

[3rdAngel]

As I said when I entered this conversation, I am no expert on Catholic faith, But one thing I get is that to really understand a teaching it is not enough to think that it is same as what we our self follows, So in this discussion I think it would be very good if one really understood the Catholic practice and not based it on what we think is correct. And since @Landon Caeli do practice Catholic faith it would seem clear that his understanding would be better than those who do not practice catholic faith, and it includes my self, since i am not cultivating catholic faith practice.

Indeed but I have studied Catholic teachings and I can show from the scriptures why they are not biblical. This is why you will see many that are staunch catholics try to claims that the teachings and traditions of men that lead others way from God's Word sepersede the scriptures.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Indeed but I have studied Catholic teachings and I can show from the scriptures why they are not biblical. This is why you will see many that are catholic try to claims that the teachings and traditions of men that lead others way from God's Word sepersede the scriptures.

And where is your proof of this?

 

[3rdAngel]

And where is your proof of this?

Good question. Proof provided here click me. Follow the linked posts in the OP.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Good question. Proof provided here click me. Follow the linked posts in the OP.

Sorry to say this but i don't see it as proof in the way you hoped. Do you know the real reason why there is so many different views of Christianity and Catholicism? Because man has changed the word that was there originally, So did the protestants in the time of Martin Luther too. So the teachings in the bible has been altered by man, and this confuses them until the teaching is no longer recognizable the way it was originally thought. So No i do not get surprised when i see so much difference even within the same church.

And other problem is that when the scripture is changed the truth of it falls away, because humans can not see the teaching they took away was very important from the beginning. If i am not mistaken it even says in the Bible. Do not remove or change a word of the holy bible. Because if the teaching is true, those words was true word from a God. And Gods do see the truth clear whereas human see truth though muddy glasses until they enlighten to the truth that was originally thought to the first disiples

 

[3rdAngel]

Sorry to say this but i don't see it as proof in the way you hoped. Do you know the real reason why there is so many different views of Christianity and Catholicism? Because man has changed the word that was there originally, So did the protestants in the time of Martin Luther too. So the teachings in the bible has been altered by man, and this confuses them until the teaching is no longer recognizable the way it was originally thought. So No i do not get surprised when i see so much difference even within the same church.

And other problem is that when the scripture is changed the truth of it falls away, because humans can not see the teaching they took away was very important from the beginning. If i am not mistaken it even says in the Bible. Do not remove or change a word of the holy bible. Because if the teaching is true, those words was true word from a God. And Gods do see the truth clear whereas human see truth though muddy glasses until they enlighten to the truth that was originally thought to the first disiples

I am sorry I disagree with you. Thanks for the discussion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I am sorry I disagree with you. Thanks for the discussion.

Very welcome

 

[paarsurrey]

And was Moses also a mystic applying ones incorrect yardstick?

Regards

It is wrong to fit Moses , Jesus and Muhammad to fit in mysticism, none of them ever claimed to be a mystic. OP should get corrected, please. Right, please?

Regards

 

[sojourner]

First Council of Nicaea

It was like the RF of the fourth century.

Look at the equivalent people today. The preeminent Bishop George Pell is currently imprisoned for child sexual abuse. Which we know is common among the clergy.

A collection of some 1800 Bishops, career clergy, decided on the nature of Jesus.

Are you suggesting their infallibility.? Or that Divine Intervention guided them ?

No, I’m merely saying that they decided on the canon.

 

[sojourner]

Nowhere in the scriptures does it say JESUS was a mystic. He was the son of God. Mysticism has it's origin in the occult as shown in post # 37 linked earlier

It doesn’t have to explicitly say that Jesus was a mystic — or a shaman. The fact that the Bible mentions doing the same activities and mentions the the same sorts of circumstances is enough. Where does the Bible explicitly say that Jesus was the son of God? Jesus himself denied that appellation.

What you showed in post 37 was a nonsense conclusion drawn from an incorrect analysis of disparate facts. The fact is that Judaism also had a mystic element. It has been suggested that Jesus was a member of and studied with such a community.

 

[sojourner]

It is wrong to fit Moses , Jesus and Muhammad to fit in mysticism, none of them ever claimed to be a mystic. OP should get corrected, please. Right, please?

Regards

Most mystics don’t use that nomenclature for themselves. The fact is that all three are depicted as having mystic experiences.

 

[sojourner]

I think it does. And if one is truly a disciple of Jesus (=”Christian”), he remains in the teachings of Jesus. It doesn’t mean person follows some modern leader. For those who want to remain loyal to Jesus, Bible is the foundation, because it has the teachings of Jesus. The early church may not have had them written, but they had them orally and then later some people wrote them so that we could also have them.

Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, "If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

No. It doesn’t. The Bible tells us that Jesus handed his authority to the apostles, and also that the handed that authority to their successors. Additionally, the Bible says that Jesus did and taught many other things that are not written.