Should murderers have the right of anonymity?

[Notanumber]

Some year ago (about 6 i think) i worked as a barista in a coffeeshop, and at the time it has been a lot in the newspaper about a married couple who was found guilty in murders many years ago, when i was at work, suddenly the woman stand in front of me and ordering a coffee was the woman from the news. To me she was just a regular customer, and she ordered a coffee and something to eat. But in your mind, should i have refused her the coffee? Just because a judge had sentenced her to 20 years in jail many, many years ago? If the case had not been in the news that much, it would still not have mattered who she was, she was just a normal customer to me. No matter of i knew she might have done what she was charged of have done.

I hope she had not taken a leaf out of this woman’s book.

https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/rosemary-west

There was no problem naming Mrs West so can you not see the double standards that are being applied currently?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I suspect the reason is political and has to do with diversity, etc.

Of course you would.

Meanwhile, in reality, the reasons are actually based on media reactions, potential reprisals and ensuring a fair trial.

 

[Notanumber]

Of course you would.

Meanwhile, in reality, the reasons are actually based on media reactions, potential reprisals and ensuring a fair trial.

Any reasonable person would and the trial is over.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I hope she had not taken a leaf out of this woman’s book.

https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/rosemary-west

There was no problem naming Mrs West so can you not see the double standards that are being applied currently?

I can not tell others what they should or should not do. But to me who they are is not important. If people wish to hold anger toward others long time after an action is done, that is their choice, not mine.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Any reasonable person would

Replace "reasonable" with "delusional/racist".

and the trial is over.

That was just one example of why a person's identity may be kept a secret, such as in those paedophile rings you mentioned.

 

[Notanumber]

I can not tell others what they should or should not do. But to me who they are is not important. If people wish to hold anger toward others long time after an action is done, that is their choice, not mine.

All we want is a level playing field. What is good for the goose…

Even Prince Andrew’s name has been dragged through the media but he is not part of an ethnic minority.

It makes a difference, but it shouldn’t.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Meanwhile, for anybody actually interested, here are the legal reasons given why the name of the defendant - even one found guilty - may be suppressed by law in New Zealand until such a time as the judge determines it necessary to name them:

Criminal Procedure Act 2011

 

[Notanumber]

Replace "reasonable" with "delusional/racist".

That is your opinion and I applaud your right to express it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That is your opinion and I applaud your right to express it.

Not an opinion. Anybody who would assume - without any reason - that a defendant's right to anonymity is given based on race is delusional/racist. There's absolutely no rational reason to think that.

 

[Spirit of Light]

All we want is a level playing field. What is good for the goose…

Even Prince Andrew’s name has been dragged through the media but he is not part of an ethnic minority.

It makes a difference, but it shouldn’t.

What has ethnic origins to do with this? We are all human beings, no matter what country we come from or what color our skin have. Humans do wrong and right no matter where we come from. White people are no better than others

 

[Estro Felino]

Replace "reasonable" with "delusional/racist".


That was just one example of why a person's identity may be kept a secret, such as in those paedophile rings you mentioned.

But when it dealt with Jo Cox , any newspaper wrote the perpetrator's name and nationality

 

[Augustus]

Because the man has certainly no English surname..

He does actually.

Why isn't Grace Millane's killer Jesse Kempson named in New Zealand

 

[Stevicus]

What possible reason could there be for name suppression in this case and how many other cases do you know of where the same rule has applied?

Grace Millane murder: man jailed for life for killing of UK backpacker

I've never heard of "name suppression." I thought trials were supposed to be open to the public.

 

[Notanumber]

Meanwhile, for anybody actually interested, here are the legal reasons given why the name of the defendant - even one found guilty - may be suppressed by law in New Zealand until such a time as the judge determines it necessary to name them:

Criminal Procedure Act 2011

It may prevent criminals from committing their crimes if they knew that it was likely to bring shame upon persons connected with them.

It may well have prevented many of those English girls from being raped and abused by the Pakistani rape gangs.

It is time that we started thinking about the victims of crimes rather than protecting the feelings of the perpetrators and those connected with them.

 

[Notanumber]

What has ethnic origins to do with this? We are all human beings, no matter what country we come from or what color our skin have. Humans do wrong and right no matter where we come from. White people are no better than others

Exactly, that is why we need one set of rules applied to everyone, equally.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It may prevent criminals from committing their crimes if they knew that it was likely to bring shame upon persons connected with them.

It may well have prevented many of those English girls from being raped and abused by the Pakistani rape gangs.

It is time that we started thinking about the victims of crimes rather than protecting the feelings of the perpetrators and those connected with them.

How about helping both sides? Victim does need help to come back to live in a good way after their trauma, but so does the perpetrator, mostly it is due to something in the past that lead them to do wrong doings. So maybe if government did help them overcome their past, they would not do evil deeds to others. If we leave the criminals to them self without helping them too, the world is not going to become a better place to be

 

[Spirit of Light]

Exactly, that is why we need one set of rules applied to everyone, equally.

The law already do that, but of some reason Judges in court seem to be harder on people of color than on the white people who do wrong

 

[ImmortalFlame]

But when it dealt with Jo Cox , any newspaper wrote the perpetrator's name and nationality

Congratulations - you've discovered that not all cases are the same and warrant the same attention or reaction from judges.

A man publicly shooting someone, identified by dozens of people, doesn't exactly have the same degree of natural anonymity as an individual who has been arrested and charged with a crime.

 

[Estro Felino]

Congratulations - you've discovered that not all cases are the same and warrant the same attention or reaction from judges.

A man publicly shooting someone, identified by dozens of people, doesn't exactly have the same degree of natural anonymity as an individual who has been arrested and charged with a crime.

I am sorry and with all due respect, but it deals with shameless double standards.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It may prevent criminals from committing their crimes if they knew that it was likely to bring shame upon persons connected with them.

That's an incredibly silly suggestion. You're essentially saying that we should punish people simply for being related to people who commit crimes.

It may well have prevented many of those English girls from being raped and abused by the Pakistani rape gangs.

Your use of "English" and "Pakistani", as if those things are remotely relevant, speaks volumes.

It is time that we started thinking about the victims of crimes rather than protecting the feelings of the perpetrators and those connected with them.

It's time you stop trying to bypass law because of your racially-charged outrage and trying to push a racist agenda rather than actually doing what's for the good of the community as a whole.