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I thought you were talking about RF.
Really, the ads on RF for gay cruises are hot. You might try them.
Tom
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Oh.
I thought you were talking about RF.
Really, the ads on RF for gay cruises are hot. You might try them.
Tom
You're missing out on hot stud muffins cavorting on cruise ships.I’ll bet. . Staff has the courtesy of no ads.
If you don't believe that pedophilia describes the raping of children - then why did you give a "Winner" vote for a post that was making that claim?Uhh no I don’t. I even specifically mentioned that there are instances of child abuse going on where there isn’t a pedophile involved. Rather an abused child is merely mimicking the behaviour as a known coping mechanism.
When people bring up the fact that there is a lack of consent, they simply mean that there is an objective reason for why someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children should not act upon those desires. Being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex and is roughly the same age you are does not carry that same objective stance.
The "truth" that I was referring to - within the context of our discussion - is that you asked me - repeatedly - to justify my beliefs - then you later claimed that you did not.What is the truth?
The "truth" that I was referring to in that post was the fact that @Jainarayan had - repeatedly - asked me to justify my beliefs - but then he later claimed that he had not.It's not truth. It is your own personal beliefs. Nothing more.
What are you claiming my position is?It's basically the opposite of your position.
What "price" will they have to pay for me having my opinion?Disgusting. And unfortunately, other people who are not you will pay the price for perpetuating those falla ious and harmful opinions of faith.
but then he later claimed that he had not.
@Jainarayan repeatedly asked me to justify my beliefs - then he later claimed that he never did so.This is the big problem here.
People who mistake their own subjective opinions for truth.
Tom
Truth is neither relative nor subjective - it is absolute.Exactly... truth is relative and subjective. Everyone has their truth. There's a line in the tv version of Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, in which the alien Karellen tells a very religious woman whose faith is shaken (paraphrasing) "All your religions can't all be right".
In my path, we're looking for the absolute truth, which may take a hundred million more lifetimes to learn. Or one lifetime, who knows? If we think we found the truth here, chances are we haven't.
Truth is neither relative nor subjective - it is absolute.
Someone can believe that something is true - but that belief does not make it so.
People believing that they "have the truth" is not harmful to society. That describes literally everyone in some fashion.Yup. I used to be one. It's a festering cancerous dogma, that is constantly feed by literalist, evangelical, and other fundamentalist groups. They are all certain they have the truth. And, zealous are unfortunately a malignant and malicious tumor that has spread throughout society.
The difference is who changes their "truth" cases in new evidence and facts,and those who hold steady and won't give up or change thier "truth." Those who don't flame tend to be the ones causing most damage, and the absolute worst destructions.People believing that they "have the truth" is not harmful to society. That describes literally everyone in some fashion.
Someone has to. Such as in America, where it took a collective majority of colonies to conform to self evident truths and rights and all that. The first amendment, it does prohibit a great deal when it comes to the state, but expected to conform to high levels of personal freedom with groups like the ACLU defending it.People believing that anyone can demand that society should conform to their individual subjective "truth" is harmful.
Bullying is pretty common from conservative Christian kids when it comes to homosexuality.hat "price" will they have to pay for me having my opinion?
People believing that anyone can demand that society should conform to their individual subjective "truth" is harmful.
It's hard to grasp why religionists demanding that society conform to their religious beliefs, like the LDS does, fail to see this.Like when people who believe same sex marriage is wrong because of the Bible being "true" and it should be outlawed.
Something tells me you have yet to "sift" through any of this stuff.Sorry, I don't feel like sifting through this same thing all over again.
How can you openly admit that you did not fully read - or "sift through" my post - but you still feel fully capable of responding to it?But I do take issue with one thing you said ...
A couple of things to unpack here:Look, I know you're trying to turn the tables and take the heat off yourself here, but what you've said here is an inane attempt to make yourself the victim in a thread where you are putting down gay people, (among others).
Again - a responsible person would either quote where I supposedly said these things or at least reference the post number of where I said them.I'm sorry to say but that seems par for the course with you, as I have read many of your long diatribes about how men are the real victims in society and African Americans are irresponsible decision makers, and on and on.
First off - it was you that tried to make my posts about pedophilia and nothing else - not me.Remember what this thread is about? It's about homosexuality. Not pedophilia. Not the plight of the African American family unit. Yet, you've gone on at length about all these other, unrelated things, thus making the case that they are related in some way.
I stand by what I have said.You're the one who went right to pedophilia in a thread about homosexuality. That wasn't anyone else here. That was you.
I disagree with all my soul.You're not offering any hope to gay people or pedophiles or African Americans, or anybody else here. I'm sorry that you think you are.
The only reason I even brought up an attraction to children was to prove how weak @Jainarayan 's argument that if someone is "born that way" or it "feels natural" then their behavior is above reproach.
Not only have I never mentioned conversion therapy in this thread - but I have also never supported it at any time in my life.Convertion therapy and Prop 8 come to mind.
No - in the earliest days of the Church - during the life of Joseph Smith the Prophet - black and dark-skinned men were given the priesthood.Eventually, basically when it was no longer reasonable or flattering to continue to do so.
Any and all comments I make about "the Church" are about my Church - the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.Is that why there are so many different denominations with modern Catholicism having many differences between now and what was 2000 years ago?
Reminds me of when I was a missionary.California and Indiana, especially the north central part I lived at, are not the same places. No, I am not talking about mean words and teasing.I'm talking about harassing, threats, vandalism, destruction of property and some assaults. Words do get old, but knowing someone who's car windows were just busted out makes things rather stressful. Getting followed several miles out of town is nerve wracking. Medical professionals giving total bs diagnoses so you can't get treatment is, as you can probably imagine, problematic and unethical. But, even when it's words, being told to leave is infuriating and, yes, upsetting no matter who you are that have done nothing and people hate you that much anyways.