Whistleblower to IRS: "Mormon Church has amassed $100 billion in tax-empt fund

[paarsurrey]

That is what I have been asking him. Give us the evidence that the guy is Christ and has fulfilled the prophecy.

SInce there has been some use of logical fallacies and no evidence forthcoming I have no reason to accept some naked assertion. Besides there is no precedent for evidential support of any religious assertion in history, so I wasn't really expecting anything now.

"logical fallacies"

Logical fallacies are in Philosophy, people in Jesus time were not aware of them. I will present reasonable and brilliant signs and reasons. Right, please?
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

If this $100 billion second-coming of Christ fund were to double on average every decade, it'd be worth ca. 100 trillion dollars in the year 2120. Of course, if Christ were to have failed returning to Earth by then, I suppose this fund will finally have been liquidated by then.

That makes it urgent to be given to the "Humanity First Canada". Listen to this wise man, please.

Regards

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I just ran the numbers; That's enough money to give every single member of the LDS church around $6,756.75

Don't know why I calculated that. Just thought it was interesting.

 

[robocop (actually)]

That is not my point. The Christians who had given donations for welcome of "Second Coming", they are unaware that it has already taken place in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the truthful Promised Messiah in Second Coming and Imam Mahdi, as I understand. Jesus, I am certain, is never to come again physically, I understand, as that money morally belongs to Ahmadiyya peaceful Islam and is to be donated to the internationally recognized Ahmadiyya Charity "Humanity First". Please ensure, if one could use one's good offices, that the money is donated to this Charity. Right, please?
If one has monetary resources one may like to donate to it straightaway directly, no harm. Right, please?

Regards

I can see that you're a good person, and although we don't agree I'm sure we can still be friends.

 

[Nakosis]

Are you sure? How do you know?

It's my God, I can craft my God to be of whatever political stance I choose.

 

[Heyo]

It's my God, I can craft my God to be of whatever political stance I choose.

Well, of course you can. But you should say so. "My god is not a socialist" is unambiguous, but when you say "God is not a socialist", it comes of as a general statement.

 

[Nakosis]

Well, of course you can. But you should say so. "My god is not a socialist" is unambiguous, but when you say "God is not a socialist", it comes of as a general statement.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

 

[Salvador]

I just ran the numbers; That's enough money to give every single member of the LDS church around $6,756.75

Don't know why I calculated that. Just thought it was interesting.

There approximately 16.3 million Mormons.

Reference: 2017 Statistical Report for 2018 April Conference

$100 billion/16.3 million = $5,988.02

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Well, I have it, rest assured.
And I am definitely going to provide brilliant Signs and reasonable arguments to that effect. I know, if convinced, one will not charge any commission and fight the case free of charge, voluntarily. Right, please?
Is one ready to be convinced with reasons?
Has one made one's mind and heart for it, please?

Regards

No doubt you do and will be willing to disclose it at some unknown and constantly moving future date.

Sure. For no reason at all, at great expense to myself, and without any rights, I am going to take on the commission to a perfect stranger to extract money, that may not exist, from its putative rightful owners and give it to a charity based on the unsupported claims of a man over 100 years dead.

Hilarious!

 

[paarsurrey]

No doubt you do and will be willing to disclose it at some unknown and constantly moving future date.

Sure. For no reason at all, at great expense to myself, and without any rights, I am going to take on the commission to a perfect stranger to extract money, that may not exist, from its putative rightful owners and give it to a charity based on the unsupported claims of a man over 100 years dead.

Hilarious!

But the fund has been collected in the name of Jesus who died 2019+ years ago, and would never come, I understand, physically in this world. So hundred+ years is not much time, and + the money is to be given to a charity "Humanity First" to be spent on the poor people of the poor countries for their basic needs like installing water-hand-pumps in African countries where potable water is scarce. Right, please?
So have a heart and use one's goods offices without any commission, please. Right, please?

Regards

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Some people go through enough fire to be called Saints.

They still have their skeletons in their closet.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

There approximately 16.3 million Mormons.

Reference: 2017 Statistical Report for 2018 April Conference

$100 billion/16.3 million = $5,988.02

The number I found was 14.8m. Maybe it was an older number.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

But the fund has been collected in the name of Jesus who died 2019+ years ago, and would never come, I understand, physically in this world. So hundred+ years is not much time, and + the money is to be given to a charity "Humanity First" to be spent on the poor people of the poor countries for their basic needs like installing water-hand-pumps in African countries where potable water is scarce. Right, please?
So have a heart and use one's goods offices without any commission, please. Right, please?

Regards

This has got to be a joke.

 

[robocop (actually)]

They still have their skeletons in their closet.

They can overcome like King David.

 

[Scott C.]

An investigation published by the Washington Post Monday night focuses on a complaint filed by a whistle-blower⁠ who alleges the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints holds $100 billion in a charitable fund from member donations that hasn’t been spent in over 20 years⁠—but is instead reportedly intended for the “second coming of Christ.”

Mormon Church Reportedly Amassed $100 Billion Fund For ‘Second Coming Of Christ’

As a member of this Church, I am so happy and impressed with the faithfulness of a very large number of Church members who pay 10% of their income to the Church. My Church gives very generously to welfare and humanitarian needs. They build chapels and temples and universities. They heavily subsidize BYU in Provo, Idaho, and Hawaii so students can get an outstanding education for very low cost. We have a Bishop's Storehouse that blows visitors minds when they come to see the magnitude of the Church welfare system. The very small number of full time ecclesiastical leaders (General Authorities) who in some cases are responsible to manage billions of dollars, make far, far less money per year than they made in the private sector before they were called as General Authorities. My Church owns some businesses which make a profit and which pay taxes. The Church limits it's commercial enterprises to areas that support the mission of the Church. By far, the greatest % of income is from member donations. I know a man who used to be an executive for a large company and he made a high salary. He was recruited to work for the Church as a paid employee (not ecclesiastical leader). He accepted a job that involved managing large sums of money and major projects. His compensation was far less than what he made in his private sector position. The top leadership of the Church, such as the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve make some annual compensation, but realize nothing in profit sharing or bonuses or any large sums of money from Church owned businesses, and they certainly receive nothing from member donations. President Nelson was a succesful heart surgeon, for example, before he was asked to leave his profession and join the Quorum of the Twelve. His annual compensation is now far less. My church meticulously respects, honors, and follows the law for all taxation. While they keep their finances confidential, they are fully exposed to those in the government who need to know. We Church members, which includes the General Authorities who are just regular Church members like the rest of us, take seriously what we consider the Lord's injunction to pay tithing faithfully. It matters nothing to me that my Church would not miss my small donations if I stopped paying. But I will never stop as I want to do my share financially to assist in what I consider to be the work of the Lord. I know my Church leaders consider this money to be sacred. In the early years of our Church in around the 1830's, our Church acquired a lot of debt. They learned to be frugal, to spend less than you receive, and to keep a reserve. If that reserve is billions, I'm excited! It means even far more is being donated and put to good use. Yes, I am very, very pleased with how my Church manages money and see it as an excellent model for other churches, corporations, nations, families, and individuals. (Oh and that part about saving for the Second Coming of the Savior is silly. Yes, we believe he will come again. But my church saves for the future, whatever needs may come. My leaders also advise Church members to be frugal, to save, and to prepare for future needs.)

 

[paarsurrey]

As a member of this Church, I am so happy and impressed with the faithfulness of a very large number of Church members who pay 10% of their income to the Church. My Church gives very generously to welfare and humanitarian needs. They build chapels and temples and universities. They heavily subsidize BYU in Provo, Idaho, and Hawaii so students can get an outstanding education for very low cost. We have a Bishop's Storehouse that blows visitors minds when they come to see the magnitude of the Church welfare system. The very small number of full time ecclesiastical leaders (General Authorities) who in some cases are responsible to manage billions of dollars, make far, far less money per year than they made in the private sector before they were called as General Authorities. My Church owns some businesses which make a profit and which pay taxes. The Church limits it's commercial enterprises to areas that support the mission of the Church. By far, the greatest % of income is from member donations. I know a man who used to be an executive for a large company and he made a high salary. He was recruited to work for the Church as a paid employee (not ecclesiastical leader). He accepted a job that involved managing large sums of money and major projects. His compensation was far less than what he made in his private sector position. The top leadership of the Church, such as the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve make some annual compensation, but realize nothing in profit sharing or bonuses or any large sums of money from Church owned businesses, and they certainly receive nothing from member donations. President Nelson was a succesful heart surgeon, for example, before he was asked to leave his profession and join the Quorum of the Twelve. His annual compensation is now far less. My church meticulously respects, honors, and follows the law for all taxation. While they keep their finances confidential, they are fully exposed to those in the government who need to know. We Church members, which includes the General Authorities who are just regular Church members like the rest of us, take seriously what we consider the Lord's injunction to pay tithing faithfully. It matters nothing to me that my Church would not miss my small donations if I stopped paying. But I will never stop as I want to do my share financially to assist in what I consider to be the work of the Lord. I know my Church leaders consider this money to be sacred. In the early years of our Church in around the 1830's, our Church acquired a lot of debt. They learned to be frugal, to spend less than you receive, and to keep a reserve. If that reserve is billions, I'm excited! It means even far more is being donated and put to good use. Yes, I am very, very pleased with how my Church manages money and see it as an excellent model for other churches, corporations, nations, families, and individuals. (Oh and that part about saving for the Second Coming of the Savior is silly. Yes, we believe he will come again. But my church saves for the future, whatever needs may come. My leaders also advise Church members to be frugal, to save, and to prepare for future needs.)

I like the ways the LDS Church saves for the religious needs of the community.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I can see that you're a good person, and although we don't agree I'm sure we can still be friends.

We are friends . I shake hand of friendship with one.
I congratulate one for joining a new religion.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

No doubt you do and will be willing to disclose it at some unknown and constantly moving future date.
Sure. For no reason at all, at great expense to myself, and without any rights, I am going to take on the commission to a perfect stranger to extract money, that may not exist, from its putative rightful owners and give it to a charity based on the unsupported claims of a man over 100 years dead.
Hilarious!

Friend @Dan From Smithville and friend @Jedster .

In fact I already started given the reasonable clues, perhaps one missed them. I gave the clues to the hidden facts, I am certain of, in my post #177, please read the post again .
Right, please?
But my main stay is on the reasonable argument from Quran- the secure and pristine Word of G-d, please be informed.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I can see that you're a good person, and although we don't agree I'm sure we can still be friends.

We are friends . I shake hand of friendship with one.
I congratulate one for joining a new religion.

Friend @Scott C. and friend @robocop (actually) !

As have been mentioned by me "Second Coming" has already taken place, so one can tell this happy/good news to the LDS people. I will mention the signs and reasonable arguments. Some clues, I have already given in my post #177, please.
Right, please?

Regards

 

[dianaiad]

An investigation published by the Washington Post Monday night focuses on a complaint filed by a whistle-blower⁠ who alleges the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints holds $100 billion in a charitable fund from member donations that hasn’t been spent in over 20 years⁠—but is instead reportedly intended for the “second coming of Christ.”

Mormon Church Reportedly Amassed $100 Billion Fund For ‘Second Coming Of Christ’

And your problem with this is....what, precisely? It's not your money. You think you have the right to tell other people that they can only use their charitable donations for what you think they should be used for?

..........one thing; nobody seems to be using those funds to buy private jets, helicopters and fancy mansions.