Have You rejected God's Message?

[TransmutingSoul]

The title is supported by each faith in each of the Messages given, in one way or another, where rejection of the Message is lack of Faith in God.

Thus for a Jew, A Christian, A Muslim and many others, of other Faiths, this results in the thought process that others have rejected God by not accepting the Message they hold to.

Baha'u'llah has said in a prayer;

"... Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity..."

That is the discussion.

Have you rejected a Message given by God?

Regards Tony

 

[epronovost]

Are you asking if some believers don't obey some command or part of the doctrine they otherwise belong to or are you asking if I think you worship an imaginary creature?

 

[wizanda]

Have you rejected a Message given by God?

Of course, if the whole of reality is the Word of God; then there are messages everywhere, and we can't study everything, yet I'm always willing to try.

Yet if certain so called Messengers, contradict basic fundamentals of the theological message globally, it would be insane to accept someone, we can identify as blatantly wrong.

In my opinion.

 

[columbus]

Have you rejected a Message given by God?

Nope.

I've gotten two Messages from God.

1) Religion is fiction. Nobody knows anything important about The Creator.

2) Science is how mere humans can learn about The Creator. The answers might not suit your preconceived notions, but empirical evidence will tell you more about The Creator than any number of fallible humans claiming to be God's Official Spokesman.

Tom

 

[joe1776]

Tony, if a Creator exists, I'm 99.8% sure, based on substantial evidence, that the men who claimed to have been divinely-inspired didn't know any more about it than I do.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Yes, I categorically reject all messages from all gods that have ever come to light under the sun. That is to say, all gods ever created or (supposedly) represented by men on Earth - I reject any and all messages attributed to them.

I do so for the simple reason that not once has the god itself given me the message. I don't care about what any human being has to say about "God's word" - I literally do not care. Theists words about god(s) are all worthless to me. The scriptural text's words about god(s) are worthless to me. The only thing that has any real worth in religion is anything positively geared toward human-to-human interactions - and even then, the worth is tempered by comparison to real-world conditions and practical/emotional application. All the rest is just noise in my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Nope.

I've gotten two Messages from God.

1) Religion is fiction. Nobody knows anything important about The Creator.

2) Science is how mere humans can learn about The Creator. The answers might not suit your preconceived notions, but empirical evidence will tell you more about The Creator than any number of fallible humans claiming to be God's Official Spokesman.

Tom

Tom what do you know of my Ideas to quote they are preconceived?

If you gain knowledge in life and then share it, does it instantly become preconceived knowledge?

As for point 1, I partly agree as know one knows God. On the Han I do see there is an important aspect we can know and that is all the Messengers that were given a Message to Give us. That Message becomes all that we currently know about God.

That brings us to point 2 where I also agree. Those Messages say that if we study and become in harmony with nature, we can learn all there is to know about God, so Science is also a path to that knowledge.

The difference I see, is that they cannot be separated, they are the wings of one bird, the bird of knowledge needs the wings of science and faiths.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Are you asking if some believers don't obey some command or part of the doctrine they otherwise belong to or are you asking if I think you worship an imaginary creature?

I see that in each Message there is a Covenant. That Covenant tells of a progression and age yet to come. The message also says, that people must stay true to that message, as to enable them to be able to see a fulfilment of that promise.

Thus logically if that promise does come and we do not embrace it when it does, that in turn rejects the intent of the original message.

Regards Tony

 

[Nakosis]

The title is supported by each faith in each of the Messages given, in one way or another, where rejection of the Message is lack of Faith in God.

Thus for a Jew, A Christian, A Muslim and many others, of other Faiths, this results in the thought process that others have rejected God by not accepting the Message they hold to.

Baha'u'llah has said in a prayer;

"... Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity..."

That is the discussion.

Have you rejected a Message given by God?

Regards Tony

Yes,

God told me that all of the religions of man are wrong. There is no required belief or need to worship. That everything is going according to plan. Man is free to express himself according to his own will. Nothing man does is permanent. Nothing man does affects eternity. Each individual is free to return to God when they choose to without prejudice. Anything else claimed about God is a lie.

God told this to me. It all made sense, but should I trust this message from God?

If I don't/choose not to, why should I trust anyone else claiming to have a message from God? Lots of folks claiming to have a message from God and your trust is based on what? That you like the message? That it is something you'd approve of God saying?

The message that you reject, is it because it contains something you don't approve of God saying?

How many messages from God do you reject? How many do you accept? You can't accept them all can you?

The pride of man to decide which messages to accept, which to reject.

 

[Laika]

Have you rejected a Message given by God?

Absolutely. I am utterly Godless! Now if only I could get huge amounts of money, power and sex, a life of crass materialism, hedonism and excess might fill the void where my soul should be before my inevitable demise...

*evil laughter*

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Have You rejected God's Message?

I'ld have to believe that such a message exists, before I can reject it. I don't believe such a message exists. So to me, there is nothing to reject (OR accept).

I do believe that there are quite a few books written by men that CLAIMED the contents to be revealed / dictated / inspired by some god, but to me they seem the obvious ramblings of just men - likely delusional men.

Sure, I reject the ramblings of delusional men.
I also reject any claims that don't hold up against evidence.
I also reject all fantastical claims that have no evidence by default.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Tony, if a Creator exists, I'm 99.8% sure, based on substantial evidence, that the men who claimed to have been divinely-inspired didn't know any more about it than I do.

Joe, I see ALL Messengers have confirmed in part what you said about God.

Where I see the Messengers differ, is that they see the world's we can not see.

Baha'u'llah confirmed the Messengers can not see the Essence of God, Christ also confirmed this as did Muhammad.

It has been explained that we are unable to see the Essence of all that is above us. So the mineral can not know the Vegatable, the vegetable the animal, the animal man and man the Messenger and the Messenger God.

In turn we can know all that is below.

Regards Tony

 

[columbus]

Tom what do you know of my Ideas to quote they are preconceived?

I've read lots of your posts.

Let's start with this belief of yours:
Almighty God cannot deliver a simple Message to all humans, God is relying on fallible humans. And relying on the ability of fallible humans to identify the most current Messenger to get The Message. Otherwise, they won't get it.
Tom

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Absolutely. I am utterly Godless! Now if only I could get huge amounts of money, power and sex, a life of crass materialism, hedonism and excess might fill the void where my soul should be before my inevitable demise...

*evil laughter*

Have a great life I wish for you what you wish.

With my wish, I hope that helps you to find who you really are.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I've read lots of your posts.

Let's start with this belief of yours:
Almighty God cannot deliver a simple Message to all humans, God is relying on fallible humans. And relying on the ability of fallible humans to identify the most current Messenger to get The Message. Otherwise, they won't get it.
Tom

That's OK, I embrace that I am fallible.

I accept that is part of the intended design of this material world. Now If we can all embrace how fallible we are, we may get somewhere?

In the end Truth an be found by fallible people, how they understand it is not infallible.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

The title is supported by each faith in each of the Messages given, in one way or another, where rejection of the Message is lack of Faith in God.

Thus for a Jew, A Christian, A Muslim and many others, of other Faiths, this results in the thought process that others have rejected God by not accepting the Message they hold to.

Baha'u'llah has said in a prayer;

"... Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity..."

That is the discussion.

Have you rejected a Message given by God?

Regards Tony

What is it you wish to debate?

 

[Laika]

Have a great life I wish for you what you wish.

With my wish, I hope that helps you to find who you really are.

Regards Tony

Thanks Dude. It's much appreciated. Best of luck to you too.

 

[Polymath257]

I've yet to see a message that is reliably from any deity. I'll reject any message *claiming* to be from a deity (or a messenger from a deity) unless the existence of the deity can be established first.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Thus for a Jew, A Christian, A Muslim and many others, of other Faiths, this results in the thought process that others have rejected God by not accepting the Message they hold to.

That is as presumptuous as it is ignorant.

At the very least, why not just let Jews speak for themselves?

 

[SigurdReginson]

Yes, though not because of "pride" as your Baha'u'llah states. I was a very serious Christian for about 6/7ths of my life. What made me finally give up that faith was through serious introspection and intellectual honesty. I simply no longer believed because the evidence for his existence is too lacking for me, and I couldn't lie to myself any longer. Deprogramming myself from the things I was raised with was a long and hard process, but now that I've loosened myself from the yoke of religion I feel much more free and happy in life.

Now, I'm not closed minded to the prospect of gods as things that might exist, but in order to believe in any gods I need to see some evidence first. Faith isn't a good tool to find out if anything is true, and only served to blind me and bind my mind for much of my life.

I've done much research on religion since then, and though I find it fascinating and often times beautiful, I don't see any new evidence that gods are an aspect of reality. I do value religion's contribution to art and cultural expression and I see much in religion that I can get behind. There are negative aspects to religion as well, but those have been covered ad nauseam, and I like staying positive.