Red Faced, Trump Backs Out Of Using Doral Resort As Host Of G7 summit

[Jollybear]

There is testimony that he did. You should watch the news some time.

What do you mean watch the news sometime?

Come on man, say something worth its substance.

Zelinsky said he was not pushed or blackmailed. Thats not hearsay. He actually said that.

 

[Jollybear]

Nope. It does not matter what a treaty says. Asking a foreign power to interfere in an election for one's own advantage is illegal.

Yes, it does matter what a treaty contract says.

And a political opponent or not, no one is exempt from investigation. And america has a right to know its political candidates. To stop that IS TO INTERFER with ellection.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What do you mean watch the news sometime?

Come on man, say something worth its substance.

Zelinsky said he was not pushed or blackmailed. Thats not hearsay. He actually said that.

You need to forget what Zelinsky supposedly said. Just admit that you have not been following the news and I will post an article for you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, it does matter what a treaty contract says.

And a political opponent or not, no one is exempt from investigation. And america has a right to know its political candidates. To stop that IS TO INTERFER with ellection.

Put it this way, the right for another nation to interfere with our elections is not going to be in a treaty.

You do not seem to understand what you propose.

 

[Jollybear]

You need to forget what Zelinsky supposedly said. Just admit that you have not been following the news and I will post an article for you.

Zelinski did not "supposedly" say this. Its a proven fact zelenski said no push, no blackmail.

Also i have been following the news, everyday, all day. As i truck drive i can listen to youtube all day. Its nice.

And no im not forgetting what zelinski said. You need to deal with what he said.

 

[Jollybear]

Put it this way, the right for another nation to interfere with our elections is not going to be in a treaty.

You do not seem to understand what you propose.

Its not the right of democrats to interfer with an election!

 

[metis]

"Impeachment" is found in the Constitution.

 

[metis]

The simple act of asking fdor foreign help dealing with our electioneering process is a felony under federal law. How the other side may respond is not important under that law.

It's like giving a note to a bank teller saying "Give me all the money you have". That's the crime, and that doesn't at all rely on what the teller may do.

BTW, that reminds me of a joke: A man goes up to a teller and hands her a note that says "This is a screw-up!". The teller looks at him and whispers "You mean a hold-up". He says "No, it's a screw-up-- I forgot my gun".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Its not the right of democrats to interfer with an election!

LOL!! You have it backwards again.

Once again, not even the President can ask another country to cheat for him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Zelinski did not "supposedly" say this. Its a proven fact zelenski said no push, no blackmail.

Also i have been following the news, everyday, all day. As i truck drive i can listen to youtube all day. Its nice.

And no im not forgetting what zelinski said. You need to deal with what he said.

If you had been following the news you would have been aware of the testimony I told you about. Reading right wing wacko sites and listening to FOX "News" is not following the news.

 

[Ouroboros]

Thats not hearsay. He actually said that.

I'd say most news is a form of hearsay. Articles are written by reporters who get the information from other people, unless you see a video of the actual source talking or being interviewed.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your post is getting bigger, which means mine is gonna have to get enormously bigger and i dont have enough time to respond to it all and do that. That said, ill respond to the parts that get on my nerves the most. Without further adue, lets go.

I’d prefer you respond to the parts that are relevant to the conversation but okay. ..

And thats your painted picture.

No, those are actual verifiable facts that actually occurred. You really have nothing to say about any of it? Do you not think fraud is a criminal action? You’re perfectly fine with people enriching themselves through their own charities? You’re okay with people violating campaign laws and paying off porn stars that they sleep with?

You have some pretty low standards there.

Apparently you dont know the difference between a name and a discription of your actions. Too bad for you. Your arrogant and its as simple as that.

LOL So you’re just going to double down on the name calling? You were pressed for time, so this is what you focused on instead of the actual substance of the discussion? Wow.

No, its YOU that missed the point. Yet you keep misrepresenting what i told you. I correct you and yet you keep it up. That makes you stubborn and arrogant. Now, you project dishonestly on me that i missed the point? Thats some nerve you got there.

Now you’re turning to “I know you are but what I am?” This is getting sad.

Missing the point doesn’t make a person dishonest, by the way.

Dont tempt me to report you. Id rather you be honest by yourself. If someone needs to correct you, it shows your already a failure. Good people dont need corrections. THINK ABOUT THAT.

Go ahead, I’m not scared of your threats.

I’m here to talk about the subject of the thread. You said you were pressed for time, so instead of focusing on the substance of the discussion, you’re going to spend your little time with this nonsense?

You don’t really care about getting to the bottom of the truth, do you?

Thats your unknowable assumption. And i dont care about assumptions.

You assumed he would give a discount. What I assume is that liars gonna lie. That’s a reference to Trump, not you.

I already answered this question but your too darn stubborn to pay attention.

The clause is not about the appearence of evil, its about bribery.

It’s about avoiding the appearance of impropriety; and it’s about avoiding influence from foreign governments.

When did you answer the question, “how can you not see how even the appearance of impropriety is a problem?” What was your answer?

I already gave an article about what scholars believed on the clause.

The emoluments clause? I just went back 4 pages and didn’t see it anywhere.

So you have nothing to say about the link I posted? Absolutely nothing?

Legality and morality are two different things. And the clause has to be interpreted and those that interprete it wrong, there interpretation is not moral, but phony.

We’re talking legality on this one. I’d like you to answer the question please. This isn’t an answer.

Has Congress approved of Trump’s gifts? If they haven’t, then why would you say it’s legal for him to accept gifts, when the specific wording states that they must be approved by Congress?

Why? Same reason all business people want costumers.

Yeah, he wants to make money.

The problem, for the one millionth time, is that the President is not supposed to enrich himself while holding the office of the President of the US. It’s obvious Trump is trying to boost his slumping sales at that particular resort.

Ya and your "imagine" was incorrect. I corrected it and that should be the end of it right there.

Sure.

Keep going on about how Demcrats are commies, and I’ll have to keep pointing out your bias. Sorry.

The fact of the matter is, that if Obama had done it, it would also be wrong.

I gave you the treaty agreement. You ignored that. Trump is perfectly proper in asking ukraine this favor.

I responded DIRECTLY to it in the very post you JUST responded to. YOU ignored my response.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What do you mean watch the news sometime?

Come on man, say something worth its substance.

Zelinsky said he was not pushed or blackmailed. Thats not hearsay. He actually said that.

You didn't read my last post.

Mick Mulvaney admitted on television last week that the holding up of the aid was linked to Trump’s demands that Ukraine investigate Biden and his son.

White House: Ukraine aid held up in part over election probe

There is evidence emerging that Ukraine DID know that aid was being withheld unless Trump’s conditions were met:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/23/when-did-ukraine-know-that-trump-had-frozen-aid/
Ukraine Knew of Aid Freeze by Early August, Undermining Trump Defense

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, it does matter what a treaty contract says.

And a political opponent or not, no one is exempt from investigation. And america has a right to know its political candidates. To stop that IS TO INTERFER with ellection.

Nope. Extorting a foreign power into giving you dirt on your political opponent is what interferes with an election. And the national security of both countries.

 

[Woberts]

As in, rerpublican and libertarian.

The parties of the corrupt and the moronic, respectively. Absolutely brilliant.

 

[Jollybear]

I'd say most news is a form of hearsay. Articles are written by reporters who get the information from other people, unless you see a video of the actual source talking or being interviewed.

And there is video of zelinski saying he wasnt pushed or pressured. Indeed there is.

 

[Jollybear]

If you had been following the news you would have been aware of the testimony I told you about. Reading right wing wacko sites and listening to FOX "News" is not following the news.

Oh and what would you call news now? What outlets?

Would you call CNN real news?

 

[Jollybear]

"Impeachment" is found in the Constitution.

Ya......of course.

The simple act of asking fdor foreign help dealing with our electioneering process is a felony under federal law. How the other side may respond is not important under that law.

It's like giving a note to a bank teller saying "Give me all the money you have". That's the crime, and that doesn't at all rely on what the teller may do.

BTW, that reminds me of a joke: A man goes up to a teller and hands her a note that says "This is a screw-up!". The teller looks at him and whispers "You mean a hold-up". He says "No, it's a screw-up-- I forgot my gun".

So basically the american people dont have a right to know about bidens potential wrongs.

And its wrong to investigate potential wrongs.

Gotcha.

Thats foolishness.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh and what would you call news now? What outlets?

Would you call CNN real news?

CNN is clearly far more reliable than the weak sources you seem to rely on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ya......of course.



So basically the american people dont have a right to know about bidens potential wrongs.

And its wrong to investigate potential wrongs.

Gotcha.

Thats foolishness.

No one said or implied that.