Animal genocide

[SalixIncendium]

To "roam in the wild" conjures up vast area of natural forest converted
to farm land. Certainly these domesticated animals are not going to
survive in virgin territory for which they aren't even adapted? You mean
free range.
Like solar panels, wind farms and organic farming - you need A LOT OF
LAND.

No. I do not mean free range.

And yes, without human assistance, many would not survive.

Another thing to keep in mind that save the current generation, the population of new generations would decrease substantially if breeding practices stopped.

 

[Darkforbid]

Not necessarily. In fact not even close. Much of what is grown on arable farms goes directly to feed cattle. Were there no cattle, there'd be loads of spare fields.

Have you seen the amount of chemical need today to make farming economically viable

 

[SalixIncendium]

Are you going to kill and eat other living forms, or are you going
to subsist on a pure mineral diet of carbon, phosphorus, calcium
etc.?

The nutritional argument holds no water. There are many vegetarians that lead a healthy, nutrient filled life, including myself.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Because the millions of people that make their livelihood from animal farming,, would need to move into plant based farming. And no much of the land used is arid and unsuitable for sustainable crop production

That is the cultivation part of farming. transform the land to suit the need. in this example from animal to crop farming. And actually many farmers do this now

 

[SalixIncendium]

Ever seen a video of a plant in an electric vehicle, shifting the
vehicle to optimize its sunlight?
Ever read anything on how mimosa plants recoil when dropped
but learn to trust their carer if this is done gently?

You see, plants are living creatures - just like animals. Only
difference is they don't have as much mobility. That's all.
Mobility.
They don't want to be killed and eaten.
We can kill animals that can't move, and leave those alone
which can move, is that what you are saying?

This is Richard Ryder's and Peter Singer's "speciesism"
Only they didn't apply it to plants, or any other life kingdoms -
that's because they are.. er... speciesists.

Maybe you ought to go live in India where cows wander over
the roads.

It's nice to see a fellow vegetable rights activist.

But have you considered that fact we can take food from plants without killing them? How many tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, squash, etc. have you picked that killed the plant?

Even lettuce can be harvested and consumed without killing the plant.

You haven't done a whole lot of gardening, have you?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Well if humanity moved to a meat free diet the need to covert land into farm land would destroy a massive amount of the natural world

[citation needed]

 

[Spirit of Light]

Have you seen the amount of chemical need today to make farming economically viable

Ecologic farming does not use chemicals, they use natural components instead, It seem to be so difficult to do changes, but when they are done, most often the result become better

 

[SalixIncendium]

Why? how about all the areas Animals are held now? those areas would be perfect to cultivate farming of vegetables and fruit

Not only where the animals are held, but where the food to sustain them is grown.

 

[SalixIncendium]

A lot of animals graze on land that isn't very good for growing crops.

Conversely, a lot of animals graze on pastures that would be excellent for growing crops.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Not only where the animals are held, but where the food to sustain them is grown.

True

 

[Darkforbid]

The nutritional argument holds no water. There are many vegetarians that lead a healthy, nutrient filled life, including myself.

Micronutrients and vegetarians - News - Understanding vitamins & more - NUTRI-FACTS

 

[SalixIncendium]

Have you seen the amount of chemical need today to make farming economically viable

Where do you think the food comes from to feed livestock? Do you think maintaining it requires no chemicals?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Micronutrients and vegetarians - News - Understanding vitamins & more - NUTRI-FACTS

Don't just spam article links. If you want to discuss something specific, quote something or tell me what you want to talk about.

 

[Darkforbid]

Ecologic farming does not use chemicals, they use natural components instead, It seem to be so difficult to do changes, but when they are done, most often the result become better

Like eco farmer can compete with highly mechanical multi national companies

 

[Spirit of Light]

Like eco farmer can compete with highly mechanical multi national companies

What does that have to do with it? If the eco food was more available people would be more healthy, then if they eat food sprayed with chemicals all the time. To inform the big corporations that they more or less killing people with their chemicals is also important. Knowledge of how to live healthy is important

 

[Darkforbid]

Don't just spam article links. If you want to discuss something specific, quote something or tell me what you want to talk about.

Just didn't want to imply your idiocy, all the vegetarians I know take supplements

But if you want claim a subject that that is still being reasurched does not hold water, feel free

And apparently the current destruction of forest for farmland doesn't happen because there's enough already

Most new farmland comes from cutting tropical forest, says Stanford researcher

 

[Darkforbid]

What does that have to do with it? If the eco food was more available people would be more healthy, then if they eat food sprayed with chemicals all the time. To inform the big corporations that they more or less killing people with their chemicals is also important. Knowledge of how to live healthy is important

You do understand ecco fertiliser it's self has to be produced

 

[Spirit of Light]

Just didn't want to imply your idiocy, all the vegetarians I know take supplements

But if you want claim a subject that that is still being reasurched does not hold water, feel free

And apparently the current destruction of forest for farmland doesn't happen because there's enough already

Most new farmland comes from cutting tropical forest, says Stanford researcher

Vegetarians and especially Vegans do need to take a B-12 supplement, this is true But to take a supplement does not make the vegetarian or vegan food bad or wrong.

The destruction of the Amazons jungle is not needed when humans stop eating meat.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You do understand ecco fertiliser it's self has to be produced

Chicken poop that's the best way to grow new vegetable food
Coming from a heritage of farmers who used this the knowledge is there yes

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Well if humanity moved to a meat free diet the need to covert land into farm land would destroy a massive amount of the natural world

You forget that a massive amount of farmland used to grow food for animals would also be open for growing food for humans.