So Who Are The Adults Pulling The Strings of the Child Climate Change Protests?

[oldbadger]

Talk is cheap, little girl, bring us proof in the form of confirmable data.

So I was right........ responses such as the above show me that I touched some truth, some nerve or other, with in you.

And clearly you show that you have no respect for little girls who try to tell you the facts. Are you that prejudiced?

Now..... I am a retired adults trainer, so I need to decide who I trust, folks like you or dedicated researchers.

Here are two websites that try to show the evidence for dangerous climate change. I picked a childrens' site in case you might have difficulty with heavyweights like the Royal Society, but in any event, I chucked that in as well; if you happen to be a CC denialist, or a Creationist for that matter, then you're hardly likely to read or benefit from either.

Don't just click the links..... COPY them and insert them yourself, please.

1. Evidence of Climate Change | Easy-to-Understand Information‎
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2. Climate Change | Understand the Evidence | RoyalSociety.org‎
   
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   Reduced Arctic Sea Ice Extent, Increased Global Surface Temperatures, Read the Evidence

 

[oldbadger]

Some might say that they need to get a life.

Do they drive there in their electric cars?

Where I live a surprising number of folks drive hybrids.
You live in the UK, don't you? If so, I reckon you could just be fed up with the fines you get for driving in to emission control zones with yer gas-guzzler!

Could I ask, what kind of life do you lead on a weekend afternoon? I'm just interested to discover what you think is a 'Real Life'.

 

[oldbadger]

The behaviors and tactics are very, very similar between the two groups. Denialism is pretty much the same, regardless of what's specifically being denied.

It's a most interesting and possible correlation.
A denialist has just called me 'Little Girl' as well. Now this adds a further connection to the bigotry list because it shows that some of these folks have no respect for the views of any girls....... possibly any women?

Climate Change Denialism.
Creationism.
Gender Bigotry.

I'm hanging around to see if certain other mindsets might be added to the list........

 

[Notanumber]

Where I live a surprising number of folks drive hybrids.
You live in the UK, don't you? If so, I reckon you could just be fed up with the fines you get for driving in to emission control zones with yer gas-guzzler!

Could I ask, what kind of life do you lead on a weekend afternoon? I'm just interested to discover what you think is a 'Real Life'.

I drive a pre-used Mazda 6 Skyactiv petrol estate delivering 39.5 mpg running about.

Mazda 6

The plan was to keep my 21-year-old Passat until electric cars became more available but that changed when a Hungarian wrote it off.

I am happy with the Mazda and will be in no hurry to change it and when I do, I will probably buy another.

Fortunately, I have never been fined for anything including motoring offences.

It is too cold and wet here to venture out so I have been using the weekend to get up to speed on the global warming fiasco. All those driving to the coast to worship at the altar of Al Gore would be better off doing the same.

 

[Notanumber]

The cost of decommissioning is a fair point. That said, non-renewables have their issues as well.

You may find this informative.

 

[oldbadger]

I drive a pre-used Mazda 6 Skyactiv petrol estate delivering 39.5 mpg running about.

Mazda 6

The plan was to keep my 21-year-old Passat until electric cars became more available but that changed when a Hungarian wrote it off.

I am happy with the Mazda and will be in no hurry to change it and when I do, I will probably buy another.

Fortunately, I have never been fined for anything including motoring offences.

It is too cold and wet here to venture out so I have been using the weekend to get up to speed on the global warming fiasco. All those driving to the coast to worship at the altar of Al Gore would be better off doing the same.

My wife and I both have fiat pandas, but we keep one off road but ready in case of any need.
I want an electric car, and thought about buying a 2nd hand GeeWiz 1st generation brushed motor 30mile range car for £1000 and getting new batteries for £750, but bought a decent electric bike instead, and this how we both manage with only one of our pandas.

Those wind farms..... If we get a very clear morning here I will take a photo of the London Array generators, about 35 miles out from here. And there is another huge farm off Ramsgate in the English Channel which we can see from the local cliffs but they are 50 miles off from here.

The local farm is small with about 50 generators but they are 5 miles out and look massive. I think they are 150 meters high.

 

[BSM1]

So I was right........ responses such as the above show me that I touched some truth, some nerve or other, with in you.

And clearly you show that you have no respect for little girls who try to tell you the facts. Are you that prejudiced?

Now..... I am a retired adults trainer, so I need to decide who I trust, folks like you or dedicated researchers.

Here are two websites that try to show the evidence for dangerous climate change. I picked a childrens' site in case you might have difficulty with heavyweights like the Royal Society, but in any event, I chucked that in as well; if you happen to be a CC denialist, or a Creationist for that matter, then you're hardly likely to read or benefit from either.

Don't just click the links..... COPY them and insert them yourself, please.

1. Evidence of Climate Change | Easy-to-Understand Information‎
   Adwww.iiea.com/‎
   Get The Facts About Climate Change. With Videos, Blogs and Infographics. Shaping Policy.
2. Climate Change | Understand the Evidence | RoyalSociety.org‎
   
   Adwww.royalsociety.org/‎
   Reduced Arctic Sea Ice Extent, Increased Global Surface Temperatures, Read the Evidence

You still haven't come close to answering my question concerning your inane statement that average global temperatures are rising. I'll ask again: what are the average global temperatures that are rising and by how much compared to previous average temperatures. Your turn...

 

[Shad]

In your wacky mind.

You speculated but were wrong. Try again

 

[Shad]

They did look like early models, yeah.

The hundreds sited offshore here can stay for ever, and the towers could receive new technology equipment if and when the existing systems are outdated.

Some of the problems with the systems in the video are with the tower itself. Hence why one company is just closing a site. It isn't worth investing in demolition and replacements without government subsidizes (US). Even more modern system have a breaking point between costs of upgrades, replacements, risk (location), upgradability and demolition. If a tower does not have the space for new machinery it won't be upgraded.

 

[Shad]

Well, you and I are just going to disagree on the value of a notable and compelling spokesperson.

Value is determined by results. Creating a protest is not a result. See; Anti Iraq war protest. So in Canada unless the Greens win a majority there are no notable results.

 

[ratiocinator]

You still haven't come close to answering my question concerning your inane statement that average global temperatures are rising. I'll ask again: what are the average global temperatures that are rising and by how much compared to previous average temperatures. Your turn...

This appears to be one of the inane mantras of climate change denial. Temperature departure from some previously established baseline (temperature anomalies) are what is used because it's a way of establishing trends from the available data - why do you think there is anything wrong with that?

 

[icehorse]

You may find this informative.

Personally, I'm more of a de-centralist, so large wind farms or solar farms aren't things I advocate for. But even if I did, we need to compare damages. So we can agree that wind farms and solar farms cause damage. But I would content that fracking and coal mining, and the related damage to the environment cause more.

To me this all leads to the conclusion that we should stop subsidizing fossil fuel and throw all that money into R&D for things like de-centralized renewables and fusion.

 

[icehorse]

You speculated but were wrong. Try again

I read your words.

Perhaps you were sloppy, no big deal. But you've chosen to double-down and defend a very clear false dilemma. That is - of course - your choice. I really am done with this particular tangent now.

peace.

 

[Shad]

I read your words.

Then you interpreted them for yourself instead of asking me to clarify. You speculated. I said you were wrong. Try again.

Perhaps you were sloppy, no big deal.

Far less than you have been. After all if you thought my point was sloppy why not ask for clarification? You didn't bother as your interpretation fitted your strawman. After all you are the one that can not figure out the difference between educate and influence. Need a dictionary?

But you've chosen to double-down and defend a very clear false dilemma. That is - of course - your choice. I really am done with this particular tangent now.

No I corrected you. I pointed out your claimed fallacy was false. Now you can't handle it as your speculation was shot down. Try again.

 

[BSM1]

This appears to be one of the inane mantras of climate change denial. Temperature departure from some previously established baseline (temperature anomalies) are what is used because it's a way of establishing trends from the available data - why do you think there is anything wrong with that?

Not what I asked at all. Forgive me for not being a rocket scientist, I just wanted a no BS temperature figure.

 

[oldbadger]

You still haven't come close to answering my question concerning your inane statement that average global temperatures are rising. I'll ask again: what are the average global temperatures that are rising and by how much compared to previous average temperatures. Your turn...

So you didn't bother to read the easy-understand website or the findings of the Royal Society?

Denial. Clear as day Denial.

 

[oldbadger]

Some of the problems with the systems in the video are with the tower itself. Hence why one company is just closing a site. It isn't worth investing in demolition and replacements without government subsidizes (US). Even more modern system have a breaking point between costs of upgrades, replacements, risk (location), upgradability and demolition. If a tower does not have the space for new machinery it won't be upgraded.

I'll try and get details of the Swedish generators that are out on the Thames, as many as I can.

Will go looking.....

 

[ratiocinator]

Not what I asked at all. Forgive me for not being a rocket scientist, I just wanted a no BS temperature figure.

If you think the real science is too complicated for you (or you can't be bothered to even try to understand why temperature anomalies are used, rather than a global average), then stop commenting on it and leave it to those people who know what they're doing.

An estimated absolute average would be BS compared with an average of the observed trends (deviations from some established baseline or anomalies) in actual measured temperatures at the available observation points.

 

[Shad]

I'll try and get details of the Swedish generators that are out on the Thames, as many as I can.

Will go looking.....

My point was about general technology development, cost and economy of space in relation to those advancement. There is a breaking point in design which necessitates replacement over upgrades. The older designs are more prone to this issue but it will happen to current systems eventually. A reason for a replacement may not even due to age related issue but a new design is more efficient overall. Let say a new design in 50% more efficient than an existing one. Government, the business (if involved) and citizens all have an interest in replacement if not the same interest.

 

[oldbadger]

Some of the problems with the systems in the video are with the tower itself. Hence why one company is just closing a site. It isn't worth investing in demolition and replacements without government subsidizes (US). Even more modern system have a breaking point between costs of upgrades, replacements, risk (location), upgradability and demolition. If a tower does not have the space for new machinery it won't be upgraded.

I am on a mobile, hence cannot paste up the mass of detail available.

www.londonarray.com can give you any info ...... It's a 100 square kilometer wind farm sited on huge sandbanks far out in the Thames Estuary.

It has a life expectancy of 50 years, and if it should fall in to inefficiency for any reason it could be abandoned and left, I reckon. The towers could never be any kind of threat because there is nothing out there, they would just be wonders like the Pyramids which don't pose any kind of problem either.