Scientific Evidence for Universal Common Descent

[YoursTrue]

It seems that is all we are going to get. It is the same thing over and over. From one creationist to the next. Games and tactics rather than debate, discussion and answers.

Where's the answer from you and your understanding if you go along with the idea of unicells emerging billions of years ago? Why do you believe it, if you do? I would think that a believer in evolution would be able to say why he believes that. The topic here is not religion, or creation. It is why you believe or question instead the idea that the first living matter (according to scientists) came about 4 billion years ago or so. We already answered the question about whether a city with buildings and foundations has human makers. Didn't we?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'll go along with you for a moment. You have ascertained that Paris was built by human hands. Therefore, in your mind, it was not built by non-humans. Do I have this right so far about you?

This is the sort of duplicitous nonsense and dishonesty that we had with usfan. What I have ascertained has nothing to do with my question about Paris that you took so long to answer.

I see that you are avoiding my points about evidence, testing and conclusions to dwell further in ancient Paris making up stories about your mighty accomplishments.

 

[YoursTrue]

It is a variation on what I call the Ostrich Defense. Keep yourself ignorant of the facts being debated by any means possible. It is the equivalent of burying one's head in the sand.

Here's the problem. You still haven't answered the question(s). Why do you believe that life in the form of a unicellular structure happened around 4 billion years ago? Talk about ostrich.

 

[YoursTrue]

This is the sort of duplicitous nonsense and dishonesty that we had with usfan. What I have ascertained has nothing to do with my question about Paris that you took so long to answer.

I see that you are avoiding my points about evidence, testing and conclusions to dwell further in ancient Paris making up stories about your mighty accomplishments.

What testing was done about unicells emerging about 4 billion years ago? What evidence is there?

 

[We Never Know]

Where's the answer from you and your understanding if you go along with the idea of unicells emerging billions of years ago? Why do you believe it, if you do? I would think that a believer in evolution would be able to say why he believes that. The topic here is not religion, or creation. It is why you believe or question instead the idea that the first living matter (according to scientists) came about 4 billion years ago or so. We already answered the question about whether a city with buildings and foundations has human makers. Didn't we?

Either life arose naturally or was created. There is no evidence for the latter.
There is evidence that it could have naturally arose. And with life naturally arising, everything has a common ancestor all the way back to the first single cell that became life.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Where's the answer from you and your understanding if you go along with the idea of unicells emerging billions of years ago? Why do you believe it, if you do? I would think that a believer in evolution would be able to say why he believes that. The topic here is not religion, or creation. It is why you believe or question instead the idea that the first living matter (according to scientists) came about 4 billion years ago or so. We already answered the question about whether a city with buildings and foundations has human makers. Didn't we?

I think you may have gotten a little confused sport. You have not asked me questions about this. I have been busy trying to drag a simple answer to a simple question out of you.

I have no idea about how life originated and have not made claims that I do know.

Pal, if you are going to make up my side for me, I'll move on and let you play.

Whadda ya say we get you back on track chief. Just slow down. Take a breath. And ask your question. Give us a little detail. Tell us a bit about yourself. You don't have to reveal who you are. Just rough details.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What testing was done about unicells emerging about 4 billion years ago? What evidence is there?

Why don't you fill me in on what you are talking about. Give me some context here. What are you referencing?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Here's the problem. You still haven't answered the question(s). Why do you believe that life in the form of a unicellular structure happened around 4 billion years ago? Talk about ostrich.

Why would anyone talk about ostriches regarding the origin of life?

 

[YoursTrue]

Either life arose naturally or was created. There is no evidence for the latter.
There is evidence that it could have naturally arose. And with life naturally arising, everything has a common ancestor all the way back to the first single cell that became life.

Thank you for expressing yourself. I would like to know if you agree with scientists who say that a unicell was the first living matter and if you know why they say that happened billions of years ago, and if you agree with that and if you do, why do you?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It is a variation on what I call the Ostrich Defense. Keep yourself ignorant of the facts being debated by any means possible. It is the equivalent of burying one's head in the sand.

That's where he got ostriches from.

Certainly, there has been a willful ignorance of the discussion.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why would anyone talk about ostriches regarding the origin of life?

Perhaps because someone suggested I'm sticking my head in the sand like an ostrich about evolution and the origin of life? So do you believe life in the form of a unicell came about around 4 billion years ago?

 

[YoursTrue]

What testing was done about unicells emerging about 4 billion years ago? What evidence is there?

The question is if you accept that is what happened.

 

[We Never Know]

Thank you for expressing yourself. I would like to know if you agree with scientists who say that a unicell was the first living matter and if you know why they say that happened billions of years ago, and if you agree with that and if you do, why do you?

Here's the thing. I'm not an expert in that field, they are. I cannot prove them wrong, however I don't accept all they put forth as fact or truth either.

IMO we assume near as much as we think we know. If it goes along, we add it In. In later years it will all become more clear as our knowledge grows.

Do I believe life has been around for billions of years, that answer is yes because of the evidence we have, and how we read that evidence suggest so.
The first living matter? We aren't even quite sure on what we call life so that question is hard to answer. Was first life a goo, a cell, maybe even a virus, who really knows.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Perhaps because someone suggested I'm sticking my head in the sand like an ostrich about evolution and the origin of life? So do you believe life in the form of a unicell came about around 4 billion years ago?

I have not said anything about this subject recently. What I can say is that in reviewing the dated strata, we see a that there is no evidence of life in the oldest strata and then there is a point as we move into more and more recent strata were there is evidence of life. The oldest verified fossils are evidence for life is 3.4 billion year old bacterial fossils. Some research indicates that life may have formed earlier, but there are questions around that. I do not know when life first arose, but I accept the evidence that we do have on how old some of it is. From that point forward, we see a progression to increasing complexity.

What is the evidence for creation that is described in Genesis?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Perhaps because someone suggested I'm sticking my head in the sand like an ostrich about evolution and the origin of life? So do you believe life in the form of a unicell came about around 4 billion years ago?

The progression I mention is in moving forward in time and I am not indicating that there is progression toward some goal. There is no evidence of a goal, nor indication that any is being sought.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here's the problem. You still haven't answered the question(s). Why do you believe that life in the form of a unicellular structure happened around 4 billion years ago? Talk about ostrich.

Please, don't make false claims about others. That is lying. I already explained why I will not answer that question yet. You are changing the topic. The topic is evolution and not abiogenesis. When you are honest enough to own up to the facts of evolution then we can discuss abiogenesis.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The question is if you accept that is what happened.

Like I said, I do not know of any evidence that indicates with high assurance when the first life arose on the Earth. There are a number of hypotheses regarding the origin of life. At this point, there is only those hypotheses and the evidence that has been gathered so far that I posted about in my previous post.

In a sidebar, I see that it has been made clear to you several times that the origin of life and the evolution of life are different and independent issues, though related.

Edit: There is no evidence with any assurance of when the very first life arose on the Earth.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The question is if you accept that is what happened.

Since you explained why you conclude that Paris was designed and built by people based on evidence and reasoned logic, what leads you to reject evidence and reasoned logic that supports the evolution of life?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Please, don't make false claims about others. That is lying. I already explained why I will not answer that question yet. You are changing the topic. The topic is evolution and not abiogenesis. When you are honest enough to own up to the facts of evolution then we can discuss abiogenesis.

At least he has not rolled in the origin of the universe. Yet.

 

[We Never Know]

Perhaps because someone suggested I'm sticking my head in the sand like an ostrich about evolution and the origin of life? So do you believe life in the form of a unicell came about around 4 billion years ago?

IMO life didn't come fully formed. There are to many variations/too much diversity of life from very simple to quite complex.

It's took billions of years for life to get to where it is. Life has a goal and life's goal is survival, regardless. People always talk about a god, maybe life is the god. Who knows.

That is why we have had/have such wide diversity. In water, on land, high altitudes, low altitudes, using O2, using CO2, one sex, two sexes, sexual, asexual, unicellular, multicellular, shallow water, deep water, etc. Life survives.

Life, no matter how it started is all about diversity to ensure it(life) goes on no matter where or how, and that's the goal of life.

Life is a, IMO, a natural construct that has a goal and that goal is simply to survive no matter how or what is going on here on earth or even the universe.

Do I think life exists elsewhere? Sure. Why would I think only earth, out of billions of planets, billions of galaxy's is the only place life could or would arise. It's all about life surviving.