What is the difference between a Flat Earther and a Creationist?

[Uncommon Sense]

That's not true at all, though.

Anyone with a stick, a measuring tape, and the means to travel between two places at least 50 miles apart can recreate Eratosthenes's experiment and actually measure the curvature of the Earth for themselves. The validity of the experimental method can be verified by anyone who has a bit of high school geometry.

Anyone else can do this too with a smaller diameter sun and one that is not 93 million miles away. Works for the other too. Recreates just fine, same math.

Typical gaslight ~ “you don’t know math or all it takes is a high school level geometry.”

 

[Polymath257]

Anyone else can do this too with a smaller diameter sun and one that is not 93 million miles away. Works for the other too. Recreates just fine, same math.

Typical gaslight ~ “you don’t know math or all it takes is a high school level geometry.”

Nope, not the same math at all. In fact, it is sort of like the geocentrists that placed Venus and the Sun close together, but both orbiting the Earth. The actual phases of Venus and the size and brightness of those phases just didn't work with the geocentrist model.

I suggest you give a specific model for a flat Earth that you think explains all observations. If we can then give observations that do not fit that model, will you agree that it is wrong?

 

[Polymath257]

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While amusing, this *is* the case. Why do you think it is a problem?

For that matter, if you take the perspective of Australia, the USA would look like your picture of there.

So? This only shows there isn't a fixed direction of 'up'.

 

[Polymath257]

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Instead of comparing speeds, which are irrelevant, why not compare accelerations, which are?

Oh, because it doesn't fit your viewpoint.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Anyone else can do this too with a smaller diameter sun and one that is not 93 million miles away. Works for the other too. Recreates just fine, same math.

Typical gaslight ~ “you don’t know math or all it takes is a high school level geometry.”

Are you a flat Earther?

 

[Uncommon Sense]

Nope, not the same math at all. In fact, it is sort of like the geocentrists that placed Venus and the Sun close together, but both orbiting the Earth. The actual phases of Venus and the size and brightness of those phases just didn't work with the geocentrist model.

I suggest you give a specific model for a flat Earth that you think explains all observations. If we can then give observations that do not fit that model, will you agree that it is wrong?

I am not a globe or flat earth believer, I simply am able to see aspects of both sides. I’m not foolish enough to believe that those pictures I’ve posted above are any kind of realistic. I’d have to be a moron to believe that ~ but they’d have to be realistic on a globe or oblate spheroid.

When NASA provides a 24-7 live feed of the Earth from space ~ spinning at 1040 miles per hour ~ along with the Earth’s wobble they state ~ and zooms in on sideways and upside down ships, buildings, aero planes, I’ll believe in it.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

I am not a globe or flat earth believer, I simply am able to see aspects of both sides. I’m not foolish enough to believe that those pictures I’ve posted above are any kind of realistic. I’d have to be a moron to believe that ~ but they’d have to be realistic on a globe or oblate spheroid.

When NASA provides a 24-7 live feed of the Earth from space ~ spinning at 1040 miles per hour ~ along with the Earth’s wobble they state ~ and zooms in on sideways and upside down ships, buildings, aero planes, I’ll believe in it.

And there is nothing realistic about curved water. Perhaps the bending of space time, etc from space makes it appear curved and bent but other than that it seems like Santa Claus for the so-called intelligent.

 

[Polymath257]

I am not a globe or flat earth believer, I simply am able to see aspects of both sides. I’m not foolish enough to believe that those pictures I’ve posted above are any kind of realistic. I’d have to be a moron to believe that ~ but they’d have to be realistic on a globe or oblate spheroid.

Well, for example, the picture of the boat on its side is correct. But the directions of up and down are to the right and left. So?

When NASA provides a 24-7 live feed of the Earth from space ~ spinning at 1040 miles per hour ~ along with the Earth’s wobble they state ~ and zooms in on sideways and upside down ships, buildings, aero planes, I’ll believe in it.

What sort of resolution are you requiring? And are you requesting to have full control over the camera? With all the people who want to do different things with it? Really?

 

[Polymath257]

And there is nothing realistic about curved water. Perhaps the bending of space time, etc from space makes it appear curved and bent but other than that it seems like Santa Claus for the so-called intelligent.

Nope, nothing at all about the bending of spacetime.

Take a glass of water and spin it along the long axis. You will see curved water.

Once again, water moves to the same gravitational potential so the surface of the water and the local direction of 'up' are perpendicular. But, since different locations have different 'up', that means the water surface curves.

Why is that an issue?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So despite your admission of our lack of knowledge,, your atheist?

I don't see how acknowledging that there are things we are ignorant about, prevents me from disbelieving bare assertions concerning unfalsifiable supernatural shenannigans....

Fine tuning is about the invariance of universal constants (26) and forces,. If you argument is 'we don't know' you still need to explain, why the already observed constants are finely fixed

Sure. But not having an explanation doesn't make your argument from ignorance correct.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

And I get tired personally of people saying I or others don’t understand gravity ~ when the brightest don’t understand it. And I don’t see any repeatable tests and experiments being done on Earth with all of the gravity that should be local that makes everything stick to Earth.

 

[Polymath257]

And I get tired personally of people saying I or others don’t understand gravity ~ when the brightest don’t understand it. And I don’t see any repeatable tests and experiments being done on Earth with all of the gravity that should be local that makes everything stick to Earth.

We understand it at the level to understand these topics, I assure you.

It is gravity that makes it stick to the Earth! Mass is a source of gravity. The direction of gravity tends to be in the direction of the closest large mass. In our case, that is the direction of the Earth.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

I’d have to be a pure moron to believe in this. Even if gravity works on large bodies such as the water ~ the kangaroo has no effects.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

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Seriously, this guy can not be serious...
I mean... he's not serious is he?
Somebody tell me he's not serious.................




Please?

 

[Uncommon Sense]

If I dug a hole through the entire Earth, went feet down ~ would I come out to Australia upside down?

 

[Uncommon Sense]

Seriously, this guy can not be serious...
I mean... he's not serious is he?
Somebody tell me he's not serious.................




Please?

I’m shocked that you are serious enough to believe that.

 

[sooda]

And I get tired personally of people saying I or others don’t understand gravity ~ when the brightest don’t understand it. And I don’t see any repeatable tests and experiments being done on Earth with all of the gravity that should be local that makes everything stick to Earth.

People have been using the kamal navigational device since the 10th century so you are pretty far behind in claiming the earth isn't round.

 

[Audie]

That's not true at all, though.

Anyone with a stick, a measuring tape, and the means to travel between two places at least 50 miles apart can recreate Eratosthenes's experiment and actually measure the curvature of the Earth for themselves. The validity of the experimental method can be verified by anyone who has a bit of high school geometry. No trust in NASA is needed to confirm that the Earth is not flat.

If someone wanted to see things for themselves and went about it in an honest way, they wouldn't end up as a flat earther.

... even before considering the transparently wacky claims of many flat earth hypotheses. Remember that to become a flat earther, a person has to adpt some sort of model of a flat Earth. I haven't found one yet that doesn't have holes you could drive a truck through.

Leaning over backwards to be fair, it could be that our
friend means that if all you have to go by is photos and
a globe, you have to have "faith" that they are right.

A bit of an aside...I know a lady from Philippines, who
is very Chanel and so forth now, in the US, but comes
from a poor rural background.

I was with her visiting her home and her Mom asked
(translated), "Why does it get cold in America"
and "Why is it day here and night there?"

I started in with an explanation, but my friend said,
"Mom does not know that the earth is round so she
is just going to get confused."

 

[Audie]

If I dug a hole through the entire Earth, went feet down ~ would I come out to Australia upside down?

Why dont you try it? If you survive the toasting
in your thermal suit, you will fall through the centre, and
then slow, stop, and fall back, eventually stopping
in the dead centre.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

If the Earth is spinning 1040 mi an hour, why doesn’t a plane just elevate and stay idle (saving on fuel) and wait for the Earth’s spin to take it to a destination?