Gun Control

[Audie]

I think to answer that, one would have to know what the results have been in other countries who have done both. Canada? Holland? Australia? There should be some statistics from non political groups which may be able to be trusted.

More guns=less gun deaths?
Or
Less guns=less gun deaths?

It shouldn't be rocket science.

That which is not rocket science may, though,
prove to be facile.

How would you apply your formula to warfare?
If your side had half the guns of the other, it
should save some of their lives but...

Or as I mentioned in another thread, a lady
who was kidnapped and thrown in the trunk
of a car. SHE had a gun in her purse.
The badguy died when he opened the trunk.

One gun death sure could have been prevented
if she just had not had that gun!

Could have had one of those torture-in-the-
abandoned-house deaths, instead.

 

[Audie]

Google is your friend sweetheart

Google nor I are yours, though.

 

[Prometheus85]

Perhaps you did not hear about vietnam

Yeah. We picked up where the French left off. But we quit too! Buts theres a story behind everything.

 

[Prometheus85]

Google nor I are yours, though.

O well. If you don’t wanna learn that’s your problem not mine.

 

[Prometheus85]

Were there. You just made that up.

What would be my reason for making stuff up?

I even put links in my quote to back up my claims.

You saying I made that stuff up is extremely dishonest

 

[Audie]

O well. If you don’t wanna learn that’s your problem not mine.

Your prob is making things up and then pretending
it is someone else's prob.
Great ways, both, to advance your cause.


Xian science monitor-
Fort Hood shooting: Could armed soldiers on base prevent tragedy?
Except for military police officers, soldiers generally are not allowed to carry loaded weapons on US Army bases. This week's mass shooting at Fort Hood raises questions about that policy.

 

[Prometheus85]

Your prob is making things up and then pretending
it is someone else's prob.
Great ways, both, to advance your cause.

What are u talking about lmao

Everything I said in my quote is true. You can go look it up for yourself. I even put links in my quote to articles backing up my claims.

Stop trolling

 

[Audie]

What are u talking about lmao

Everything I said in my quote is true. You can go look it up for yourself. I even put links in my quote to articles backing up my claims.

Stop trolling

Adding crudity wont help.
There has to be some way to square this with reality:

Both military bases where there were plenty of good guys walking around with guns,

Perhaps equivocation will. Do you care to
rephrase?

 

[Prometheus85]

Your prob is making things up and then pretending
it is someone else's prob.
Great ways, both, to advance your cause.


Xian science monitor-
Fort Hood shooting: Could armed soldiers on base prevent tragedy?
Except for military police officers, soldiers generally are not allowed to carry loaded weapons on US Army bases. This week's mass shooting at Fort Hood raises questions about that policy.

Right there were military personal ( good guys with guns) walking around. But the didn’t prevent a rampaging shooter.

And military bases are gun restricted zones

Which means the only people that are allowed to carry guns are military police officers, soldiers. I don’t understand your angle...

 

[Prometheus85]

Adding crudity wont help.
There has to be some way to square this with reality:

Both military bases where there were plenty of good guys walking around with guns,

Perhaps equivocation will. Do you care to
rephrase?

Soldiers!!! Military officers!! Aka good guys with guns! It’s not hard to understand

 

[Prometheus85]

More guns in the hands of the people. Get RID of the gun regulations!

More guns in the hands of people mean the bad guys get shot easyer.

Get rid of no gun zones. Those people are sitting ducks to a bad guy with a gun.

If only there was a good guy with a gun

Woman wearing hijab among 1 dead, 1 injured in Pittsburgh stabbing

 

[Audie]

Right there were military personal ( good guys with guns) walking around. But the didn’t prevent a rampaging shooter.

And military bases are gun restricted zones

Which means the only people that are allowed to carry guns are military police officers, soldiers. I don’t understand your angle...

The soldiers specifically are not allowed to carry guns
and ammunition. That is why they were unarmed
and unable to protect themselves. AS NOTED in the
article posted. And as I said before, you just made that
part up.

Military police at the gate, or otherwise far away
hardly fit the description of-

Both military bases where there were plenty of good guys walking around with guns,

so since armed men were not present, and
if they had been they would have put a quick
end to the affair-
what possible point are you trying to make?

 

[Audie]

If only there was a good guy with a gun

Woman wearing hijab among 1 dead, 1 injured in Pittsburgh stabbing

Good move, change the subject when things get
hot.
Also a good move, as we have a point of agreement.
We agree its too bad there was no good guy present.

I bet you'd even agree to have a couple of good
guys show up if someone were shooting up
some place where you were.

Might be awkward at first, like a Christian Scientist
with appendicitis, but, hey-
Good guy with a gun saves the day, killing mass shooter in Oklahoma

A good guy with a gun has saved many lives in Florida – something ...
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/a-g...-in-florida-something-the-media-rarely-report
https://www.foxnews.com/.../a-good-guy-with-a-gun-has-saved-many-lives-in-florida-so...
Aug 7, 2018 - A heroic citizen with a permit to legally carry a concealed handgun was able to save countless lives in Florida last week.

 

[Prometheus85]

The soldiers specifically are not allowed to carry guns
and ammunition. That is why they were unarmed
and unable to protect themselves. AS NOTED in the
article posted. And as I said before, you just made that
part up.

Military police at the gate, or otherwise far away
hardly fit the description of-

Both military bases where there were plenty of good guys walking around with guns,

so since armed men were not present, and
if they had been they would have put a quick
end to the affair-
what possible point are you trying to make?

I stand corrected. Perhaps I was a little overzealous in my post. But that doesn’t change the fact that it was a military base were base police, base security systems, and trained servicemen on the base and they were unable to prevent the massacre

 

[Prometheus85]

Good move, change the subject when things get
hot.
Also a good move, as we have a point of agreement.
We agree its too bad there was no good guy present.

I bet you'd even agree to have a couple of good
guys show up if someone were shooting up
some place where you were.

Might be awkward at first, like a Christian Scientist
with appendicitis, but, hey-
Good guy with a gun saves the day, killing mass shooter in Oklahoma

A good guy with a gun has saved many lives in Florida – something ...
https://www.foxnews.com/.../a-good-guy-with-a-gun-has-saved-many-lives-in-florida-so...
Aug 7, 2018 - A heroic citizen with a permit to legally carry a concealed handgun was able to save countless lives in Florida last week.

A few isolated incidents of civilians taking the law into their own hands doesn’t prove the good guy with a gun theory to be right

Do Armed Civilians Stop Mass Shooters? Actually, No.

 

[Audie]

A few isolated incidents of civilians taking the law into their own hands doesn’t prove the good guy with a gun theory to be right

Do Armed Civilians Stop Mass Shooters? Actually, No.

And off through the treetops with dueling websites
with a changed topic.

FACT IS, tho, that your claim about how there were
armed soldiers walking about is not so,
AND that ifn there had been armed soldiers
about there would, at the very very least, there
would be a chance.
A chance I'd guess you'd be finding preferable
to inevitable slaughter.
We note that gun free zones are much preferred
by shooters.

Anything left now that the subject has been
changed again?

 

[Audie]

I stand corrected. Perhaps I was a little overzealous in my post. But that doesn’t change the fact that it was a military base were base police, base security systems, and trained servicemen on the base and they were unable to prevent the massacre

That was never at issue.
Your zeal was.
It does seem as if a military base would
be more a place than it is to find weapons
ready at hand, but, that is not the case.

Kind of surprised me too.

Anyway, good match, good fun.
You will of course find that Audie
is seldom rong.

 

[Prometheus85]

And off through the treetops with dueling websites
with a changed topic.

FACT IS, tho, that your claim about how there were
armed soldiers walking about is not so,
AND that ifn there had been armed soldiers
about there would, at the very very least, there
would be a chance.
A chance I'd guess you'd be finding preferable
to inevitable slaughter.
We note that gun free zones are much preferred
by shooters.

Anything left now that the subject has been
changed again?

I admitted that I was wrong about the soldiers being armed. Didn’t u get the memo?

Also i did not change the subject. I’m simply refuting the articles you sent me backing up the good guy with gun theory with another article that’s proves that theory wrong.

Saying that the soldiers having guns might’ve giving them a chance, your ignoring the fact that the shooting took place at a Military base with all the security and all of the trained military personal. And the massacre still happened.

 

[Prometheus85]

That was never at issue.
Your zeal was.
It does seem as if a military base would
be more a place than it is to find weapons
ready at hand, but, that is not the case.

Kind of surprised me too.

Anyway, good match, good fun.
You will of course find that Audie
is seldom rong.

Your definitely wrong when it’s comes to the good guy with a gun argument

 

[Shaul]

Your Walmart story was not from El Paso was it?

Of course not. The store in El Paso was in a “gun free” zone. I have produced and example of a shooting in El Paso non-Wal-Mart prevented by armed citizens. I have also produced and example of citizens preventing a shooting at a non-El Paso, non “gun free zone” Wal-Mart. These are evidence that being a Walmart nor being in El Paso prevent armed citizens from stopping active shootings. Which leaves the other variable as the reason. Specifically that reason is that of the “gun free zone”.