When evangelists knock on your door...

[sooda]

That does not answer the question; what formed the conscience of the prophet?

Prophecy in Ancient Israel | My Jewish Learning
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• Prophecy in The Biblical Sense
• The History of Prophecy in Ancient Israel
• Prophetic Literature

• The authority of the traditions of the Bible in Judaism is founded upon the concept of prophecy. The Bible describes various people as having received direct revelations from God. The revelation to Moses is seen by later tradition as prophecy par excellence.In the accounts of the patriarchs, we encounter God in relation to man, communicating directly with him. This is not prophecy in the strict sense, however, since the phenomenon of prophecy, in the biblical view, involves the prophet’s havi...
  The Schools of the Prophets in the Bible - e-hope4all.info
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  Aug 20, 2013 · Later on some more schools of the prophets were established in Bethel (2 Kings 2:3), Jericho (2 Regi 2:15), Gilgal (2 Kings 4:38) etc. “Fathers and mothers in Israel became indifferent to their obligation to God, indifferent to their obligation to their children.
  

 

[SomeRandom]

I have had my share of funny experiences at the door....Aussies have their own brand of humor.

Ahh Aussie humor. Drunk and silly.

Actually what you saw was one patient having his life put at risk.

People have their life put at risk when they get their teeth removed.

So many JW’s have proven consistently that blood is not necessary to save lives....in fact you are more likely to save lives without it....and with no complications.

Forgive me, but that's a load. Doctors work with the constraints put onto them by JWs. Not saying they shouldn't accommodate, but that's the good work of medical professionals you're trying to take credit for. They save your lives, because it's their job.

In Oz we don’t see donors getting paid, but a unit of blood is still expensive. Blood is big business and the dangers are downplayed in order to sustain their profit margins.

What profit margins specifically? Name them, in Australia. They're not exactly well hidden.
http://www.donateblood.com.au/sites/default/files/Annual_Report_2015-2016.pdf
Granted I don't discount the possibility of shady behind the scenes dealings. Probably more profitable with organ donation, honestly.

In Oz we don’t see donors getting paid, but a unit of blood is still expensive. Blood is big business and the dangers are downplayed in order to sustain their profit margins.

In Oz we don't pay like 1000 bucks just to go to the ER. So donating for us only takes a promised cookie, not like in America, where literally everything is money.
Did you know that in some parts of America (I don't know if this is true of all states) hospital births are something of a privilege because they cost so much in insurance? I heard that from my Yank cousins and damn near fainted.

What profit margins? If Red Cross violate the stringent laws surrounding blood safety they are fined 4 million bucks. That's law.
Just because a company is big, doesn't mean they can't be kept in line with laws. I have worked for multi billion dollar companies. They would never dare violate any laws which engender a few million dollars in fees. That's just how business is.
The government does have a modicum of control over big business. We aren't in America.

If this procedure is said to have a higher rate of “morbidity and mortality” than any other medical intervention, then surely it must be acknowledged by doctors who may be adding unnecessary risks to their patient management....?

Antibiotics literally created superbugs that killed people. Do you see antibiotics being recalled? No. Just because we reevaluate something, doesn't mean it's evil or will kill us necessarily. It just means we re-calibrate and move forward. You really need to hone your analytical skills, my friend. Apply it on a more nuanced scale than "scary equals bad."
I know you can do it, you're smart.

It is also obvious that many Australian doctors are adopting America’s greed for profit. Medicare helps but it certainly has its drawbacks.

They've been trying since before my father was born and he was a Depression Era baby. They will never succeed. Everyone outside of the US points and laughs at their model, even if (ours) has failures. Have a convo with a Yank who is uninsured and I almost guarantee you will be singing the praises of our flawed Medicare system. Yikes!

When we can grow God-given medicinal cannabis in our own garden and make our own medicine for free, then we will be able to say that we have a decent medical system.

Okay, that I can kind of agree with. I'm a hippy at heart really.
The reticence of using medicinal cannabis is a bit outdated for my taste. I mean shesh, Woolies and Coles literally sell hemp products now. Health shops use various cannabis products. We can utilize cannabis for more than just smoking, provided it's the right "strain." And if it provides relief to cancer sufferers, so be it. We use opioids for medicinal pain relief. Study it and see what we can do with it, I say.

Did you watch Pete Evans on Sunday Night? Very interesting.....

No, but I'll Youtube it, if I remember.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

More ignorant nonsense. There are no sales and there is no commission. What are you on about?

You're salespeople. Volunteer salespeople, but still salespeople.

We are not trying to convert anyone.

Baloney.

We offer information to people who may be interested in what the Bible has to say about the state of the world and if there is a hope for the future. It is offered, never forced.

I should hope it's never forced.

But as you say: you go door to door offering something. This is solicitation.

Everything is free. We don’t ask for money....we don’t even have collection plates at our meetings and we do not tithe. All donations are voluntary and none of our elders are paid.

Considering how many existing members give these voluntary contributions, it would stand to reason that some percentage of new members would donate as well. Proselytizing still has a revenue-generating aspect for the Watchtower Society.

 

[Shad]

OK. I might bet that the Jehovah's Witnesses have no school anywhere, ever. But, children as young as five have joined the Theocratic Ministry School.

There are two k-12 schools I know of around here. It is more like centralized "home" schooling than say a private Catholic school. The later follows established education systems while the former doesn't.

 

[wandering peacefully]

What do you say when members of a religious group (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses) knock on your door, evangelising?

I currently politely say “sorry, I already have a religion” and leave it as that

But the next time it happens I think I’m going to say something outrageous such as “I don’t need religion, I have a direct line to God” (don’t worry, I don’t believe I have a direct line to God!) or make up a religion and tell them I belong to that

I used to be cordial and would even entertain their proselytizing for a few minutes before politely saying no thanks. But after being on Internet forums and hearing straight from the horses mouths about how they really feel about non-believers, next time one shows up, especially with a child in tow, I will probably tell them to get the f off my property and never come back. And to stop abusing their children.

 

[savagewind]

There are two k-12 schools I know of around here. It is more like centralized "home" schooling than say a private Catholic school. The later follows established education systems while the former doesn't.

Just imagine, if you will, a Jehovah's Witness suggesting non-Witnesses children to attend a Witness only school. For the children to be welcome YOU must become a JW.

 

[Shad]

Just imagine, if you will, a Jehovah's Witness suggesting non-Witnesses children to attend a Witness only school. For the children to be welcome YOU must become a JW.

Which is why the recommendation didn't make the list. Still doesn't hurt to ask.

 

[SugarOcean]

I knew this was made-up by that woman, when I read this:


Then, we would. (It might take two requests, depending on who is at your door [like a young Witness]....but not “repeatedly.”)

I tell you, you never know who you’re dialoguing with, online.
Reminds me of that song “Online” by Brad Paisley...funny stuff!

True, you never know who you'll meet online. I wouldn't think to call the woman who shared her experience a liar.

 

[savagewind]

Someone at the door might think that he or she has said, "I am not interested" but maybe they just thought it and forgot to say it. It happened to me regarding one woman. I think the woman trusted that I would figure it out as she several times said, "I am busy". So that doesn't work.

The funny thing is that I had decided to ask her when a good time would be but she beat me to it.

 

[savagewind]

But, if I hadn't listened and believed I trust that I would not be having so much fun now and surely I would never have known all you sweet and friendly people. I love you!

 

[Marcion]

I would welcome them inside, offer them some tea, show them some yogic exercises and proclaim to them the benefits of tantric initiation over mere religious faith.

 

[SugarOcean]

Someone at the door might think that he or she has said, "I am not interested" but maybe they just thought it and forgot to say it. It happened to me regarding one woman. I think the woman trusted that I would figure it out as she several times said, "I am busy". So that doesn't work.

The funny thing is that I had decided to ask her when a good time would be but she beat me to it.

I knew a man, passed on now, who was a Wiccan high priest living in Florida. Whenever JW's would knock on his door he'd invite them in for tea and discussion. He also had three years in divinity college at one time because he thought of becoming a priest. He later quit after he was written up for having wine in his dorm room. When he took issue with the dean and used scripture verses to defend his point and the dean refused to lift the charge, Jasper then quit. He took it as a sign of hypocrisy and he should seek elsewhere.
He married an ex-nun a few years later. The first marriage for both , they were together for over 30 years before he passed from a heart attack at work.

 

[savagewind]

^interesting

 

[pearl]

Prophecy in The Biblical Sense

They demanded the extirpation of even minimal participation in idolatrous worship, and called for the amelioration of the injustices being perpetrated against the poor, unlanded classes, insisting loudly and clearly that the discharge of cultic duties was of no significance if it was not accompanied by a life of true moral and ethical principles.

The Prophet's conscience was formed by how he perceived God's judgment on Israel's morality and faithlessness through whatever mysticism.

'all three of them were intimately involved in the affairs of the day and determined to bring to the people of Israel the messages they believed they had received directly from the God of Israel.'
Heschel refers this intimacy between God and his prophets as 'divine pathos'.

 

[sooda]

They demanded the extirpation of even minimal participation in idolatrous worship, and called for the amelioration of the injustices being perpetrated against the poor, unlanded classes, insisting loudly and clearly that the discharge of cultic duties was of no significance if it was not accompanied by a life of true moral and ethical principles.

The Prophet's conscience was formed by how he perceived God's judgment on Israel's morality and faithlessness through whatever mysticism.

'all three of them were intimately involved in the affairs of the day and determined to bring to the people of Israel the messages they believed they had received directly from the God of Israel.'
Heschel refers this intimacy between God and his prophets as 'divine pathos'.

All three?

 

[sooda]

I knew a man, passed on now, who was a Wiccan high priest living in Florida. Whenever JW's would knock on his door he'd invite them in for tea and discussion. He also had three years in divinity college at one time because he thought of becoming a priest. He later quit after he was written up for having wine in his dorm room. When he took issue with the dean and used scripture verses to defend his point and the dean refused to lift the charge, Jasper then quit. He took it as a sign of hypocrisy and he should seek elsewhere.
He married an ex-nun a few years later. The first marriage for both , they were together for over 30 years before he passed from a heart attack at work.

Lewis Vandercar?

 

[nPeace]

Nope. A young mother of four dropped in the ER for an emergency delivery (with no prenatal care) began to bleed out. Her husband didn't want her transfused. We did it anyway. Within 30 minutes a JW lawyer from 300 miles away called threatening a lawsuit. Her death would have left 5 orphans and ruined my young OB/GYN's career.

They came to my house for three days running at 7 AM. You bet I told them to get off my property.

If - you didn't mention if she did, or not - the mother requested no blood transfusion, then you are aware that you had no respect for your patient's needs, and rights.
If she was unconscious, and her husband spoke for her, then you violated the rights of two persons, in fact more than two.
Do you normally feel good about that?

However, in this case, perhaps the couple did not have a Power of Attorney. So you probably got off that time. Do you believe in luck? I would encourage you, "Please, don't push it".
Most JWs have a Power of Attorney.

However, if you feel lucky...
What would you have done if a patent was unconscious, on their own, and you found a Power of Attorney, in their wallet, stating explicitly - No Blood Transfusions.
Be honest now.

There are people who make a big fuss when someone simply disagrees - they have not stopped the person from practicing - with a homosexual lifestyle.
I wonder what such persons think about a person having the right to their own choice regarding their health.

Do you think that person should have the same rights as one who wants to be 'gay'?

 

[sooda]

If - you didn't mention if she did, or not - the mother requested no blood transfusion, then you are aware that you had no respect for your patient's needs, and rights.
If she was unconscious, and her husband spoke for her, then you violated the rights of two persons, in fact more than two.
Do you normally feel good about that?

However, in this case, perhaps the couple did not have a Power of Attorney. So you probably got off that time. Do you believe in luck? I won't encourage you, "Please, don't push it".
Most JWs have a Power of Attorney.

However, if you feel lucky...
What would you have done if a patent was unconscious, on their own, and you found a Power of Attorney, in their wallet, stating explicitly - No Blood Transfusions.
Be honest now.

There are people who make a big fuss when someone simply disagrees - they have not stopped the person from practicing - with a homosexual lifestyle.
I wonder what such persons think about a person having the right to their own choice regarding their health.

Do you think that person should have the same rights as one who wants to be 'gay'?

Then her husband should have kept her at home. Watching a young mother of 5 die needlessly is not OK. Maybe you should do that and accept the ignorant, poverty ridden religious fanatics into YOUR clinic.

 

[nPeace]

I was assaulted and robbed at gunpoint by a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses a few years back during a home invasion that started the moment they asked me about Jesus.

If the fire they lit in the living room hadn't spread so quickly, they would've raped my girlfriend in front of me and killed us both at the conclusion of their spree.

Since then, I've been skeptical of the whole outfit.

I'm sorry you had that bad experience with JWs impersonators.
Some rapist and robbers also impersonated heakth inspectors, and police officers, and some have gotten away with it. Maybe they got caught later.
I hope they caught those two criminals.

You don't have to be skeptical of JWs, but you do need to be careful, and take precautions against impersonators, and cons. I would encourage you not to open your doors for them, if you don't observe a sizable presence of them in the are.

Many criminals find ingenious ways of entering homes.
Once the cops warned the public not to open their door at all, unless they were doubly certain of the identity of the visitor(s).
The criminals were spraying a knockout chemical in the householder's face, and gaining entry through the opened door.

Be careful.
Witnesses also do telephone Witnessing, so it's possible to reach you by phone, if the terrible experience is the only reason for your skepticism.

Take care.

 

[nPeace]

Then her husband should have kept her at home. Watching a young mother of 5 die needlessly is not OK. Maybe you should do that and accept the ignorant, poverty ridden religious fanatics into YOUR clinic.

What does that have to do with respect, or lack of it, for a person's rights.
You didn't answer my question though. That's not very professional... I assume you are a medical practitioner.
Tell me the medical facility you work at, so I can know where not to go, and let my brothers and friends know to avoid it like the plague.

I could always let you push your luck, but extracting a couple million from you, won't take out the blood you pumped in.