Question mostly to Atheists (not a mocking)

[ecco]

I have noticed that many (not all) Atheists mocking or harras the believers of any religion/ spiritual path.

Why do you "as an Atheist", take your time to read especially the bible, then when you know a little, you go about making sick critique and wrong claims about the religion you do not believe in? Do you find it fun to mock those who believe what you do not believe in? What is your purpose to try to drag down the religions?

But you singled out atheists. Why?

Well my reason to ask the OP was because of someone in the forum( a newbie) Only criticise Christianity in every post he make and refused to listen to anything.
But as you maybe saw, i did say this OP was not meant to say bad about every Atheist

Now you are really trying to weasel out. If your problem was with a newbie, then you should have taken him/her to task.

Instead, you made sweeping condemnations of atheists:

• many (not all) Atheists mocking or harras
• Why do you "as an Atheist
• Do you find it fun to mock
• drag down the religions

You really need to do some soul searching.

 

[Audie]

Now you are really trying to weasel out. If your problem was with a newbie, then you should have taken him/her to task.

Instead, you made sweeping condemnations of atheists:

• many (not all) Atheists mocking or harras
• Why do you "as an Atheist
• Do you find it fun to mock
• drag down the religions

You really need to do some soul searching.

Good topic for when doing a bit of that self-
indulgent "meditation' we hear so much about.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Now you are really trying to weasel out. If your problem was with a newbie, then you should have taken him/her to task.

Instead, you made sweeping condemnations of atheists:

• many (not all) Atheists mocking or harras
• Why do you "as an Atheist
• Do you find it fun to mock
• drag down the religions

You really need to do some soul searching.

Well there are many Atheists who do mock religion, that is a fact

 

[ecco]

Oh, don't be silly. If they were prohibiting religion (and they were) and killing people BECAUSE they were religious (and they did) then they were doing it 'in the name of anti-theism" which happens to be a subset of atheism. One cannot be anti-all theism unless one IS an atheist, after all.

Oh, don't be silly. If they were prohibiting The Press (and they were) and killing people BECAUSE they were members of The Press (and they did) then they were doing it 'in the name of anti-Pressism" which happens to be a subset of a-FreeSpeech. One cannot be anti-all Free Press unless one IS anti Free Speech, after all.

Oh, don't be silly. If they were prohibiting Higher Education (and they were) and killing people BECAUSE they were members of the intellectual elite (and they did) then they were doing it 'in the name of anti-intellectualism...
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Those sound ridiculous because they are ridiculous. So is your comment regarding religion.


Dictators and revolutionaries remove, or try to remove, anyone who disagrees with them for any reason.

If intellectuals can rouse the rabble, get rid of them.
If the Free Press can rouse the rabble, get rid of them.
If religious leaders can rouse the rabble, get rid of them.

 

[ecco]

hmmm... an atheist doesn't believe in any gods. So what is left to kill in the name of?

See post #84 above.

 

[ecco]

I think you raise an important question and would assume that there are lots of different answers to it. Im an atheist so will just share my own personal view on this, just so you don't think I speak for all atheists
...
How some people can reach the conclusion that all these things are true, while im convinced only after a few pages that its not.
...
It they can't, such claim is worth absolutely nothing and as long as people don't realize that, the madness will continue.

That's a really good post. Your background and realization process are similar to my own. Religion just wasn't a thing in my household. Three Sundays at Sunday school at age ten convinced me that the Bible was not even as real as any of my comic book stories.

Regarding: How some people can reach the conclusion that all these things are true, while im convinced only after a few pages...

The difference there is in your background vs the backgrounds of true believers. You were raised without being indoctrinated into religious beliefs. Most people are exposed to religions from birth. These very early impressions are very hard, in some cases impossible, to overcome.

 

[ecco]

Suppose that A is a devout member of a group that believes that same sex marriage is not marriage 'in the eyes of God.' A is also a wedding photographer who ONLY shoots the weddings of those who share those beliefs (like Jewish caterers who only 'do' Jewish orthodox weddings and/or bar/bat mitsvahs). A gay couple wants A to 'shoot' their wedding. A says no. Gay couple sues and pretty much destroys the business.

Who is harming whom?

Some people feel it is necessary to "make a point".

In reality, Gay couples would generally prefer to pay a wedding photographer who empathizes with their views. Hiring a God-fearing holy roller to film a Gay wedding is a good way to get lousy pictures.

Re bakers. For an atheist hiring a God-fearing holy roller to bake the wedding cake would probably be a sure way of getting a cake containing some God-fearing holy roller urine.

 

[ecco]

A bunch of people...atheists (not so many of them) and fundamentalist Christian types stand outside the gates of the LDS Temple in Salt Lake City, singing songs (loudly) and waving temple garments in the air. Some of them are wearing those garments outside their clothes. Some wear Temple clothing. They block the entrance to the temple grounds. One of them goes toe to toe with a temple guide, literally stepping on his toes and spitting in his face, in an effort to force a confrontation he can claim was begun by the guide. The guide calls the cops, and every protester is moved away from the gate. Eventually a specific space is set up for protesters, beyond which they are, by law, not allowed.

You really need to try to make better analogies. Have you ever seen atheists protesting LDS members? Even very few other Christians would act as you describe. The exception that comes to mind is Westboro Baptist.

 

[Audie]

Well there are many Atheists who do mock religion, that is a fact

Well! Who knew. So we need a thread, for that?

Considering the things that the goddies come up
with to peddle, they earn more mockery than they
will ever get.

Though we get some help from the goddies, who
will mock every religion but one, their own

 

[Audie]

You really need to try to make better analogies. Have you ever seen atheists protesting LDS members? Even very few other Christians would act as you describe. The exception that comes to mind is Westboro Baptist.

Great! an example of one bunch of godies mocking
another. Who needs atheists when they all denoucne
and make fun of eachother?

 

[ecco]

That is sometimes the path one must tread to find truth. I found God and truth from having a very critical view of religion and extreme questioning. I had to be absolutely sure and if anyone I felt could beat my arguments I would give my loyalty to such a person.

That just happened to be Baha’u’llah. But before that I was an avowed atheist and mocked Baha’is for many years.

How old were you when you became an atheist? What led you to become an atheist?

 

[QuestioningMind]

Oh, don't be silly. If they were prohibiting religion (and they were) and killing people BECAUSE they were religious (and they did) then they were doing it 'in the name of anti-theism" which happens to be a subset of atheism. One cannot be anti-all theism unless one IS an atheist, after all.

Oh now, YOUR the one being silly. They were prohibiting ANYTHING that competed with worshiping the state. The fact that such groups happened to be religious was just secondary.

 

[QuestioningMind]

The godies will make things up as it suits them, in
the name of their religion.

So I've noticed.

 

[QuestioningMind]

hmmm... an atheist doesn't believe in any gods. So what is left to kill in the name of?

Aren't you aware that they were COMMUNISTS who were killing people in the name of the STATE? Perhaps it's time for you to brush up on 20th century history.

 

[ecco]

Well my reason to ask the OP was because of someone in the forum( a newbie) Only criticise Christianity in every post he make and refused to listen to anything.

Well there are many Atheists who do mock religion, that is a fact

So, now you are admitting that you started a thread to denigrate atheists in general because you got upset at the posts of a newbie.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So, now you are admitting that you started a thread to denigrate atheists in general because you got upset at the posts of a newbie.

No, I have nothing to admit Do you dislike that some religious people disagree with Atheists?

 

[Audie]

No, I have nothing to admit Do you dislike that some religious people disagree with Atheists?

Ah so you are denying it.
This religion stuff must do something to people's
heads.

 

[ecco]

No, I have nothing to admit Do you dislike that some religious people disagree with Atheists?

Yeah. At this point, an admission is no longer needed. The facts and your embarrassed grin speak for themselves.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yeah. At this point, an admission is no longer needed. The facts and your embarrassed grin speak for themselves.

So it is ok for atheists to make critique of religion/religious people, but not the other way?

 

[Audie]

So it is ok for atheists to make critique of religion/religious people, but not the other way?

Give it a rest. You're busted; now you are making
it that much worse by trying to turn YOUR ill manners,
if religious bigotry can be so called, into someone
else's lack of character.

And of course, in the process, once again trying
to trash all atheists for things that you made up.

We really do think you need to go meditate quietly
and work your way out of this sickness you display.

It is shameful for you and embarrassing for us to
witness. Go forth now, and try to improve yourself,
and plz dont come back until you've made some progress.