Is premarital sex moral or immoral?

[nPeace]

Nah. We're pretty aware that love and lust aren't the same thing. It's telling, however, that you keep making accusations that are untrue and unfounded. Biblically supported, yes, but factually supported in the real world, no.

Not surprised you don't see how messed up the world's view of love is then, while they can't see it.

Who's ever claimed that?

Define "one person after another." Is this serial monogamy, or someone having sex with five different people in one day?

Pardon me. I thought you read my post.
It's here, if you would like to read it.

Serial monogamy there is nothing wrong with it as they are harming no one.
Five people a day, again, there's nothing wrong with that either as there is no harm being done.

Wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled.
Scripture says it. We see it.

Only according to an ancient book that also says it's appropriate for a post-healing ritual to include bird's blood being slung all over the place.

Why? Are you thinking, because it had no purpose? Not so.
Why then - over 3,000 years ago - and not 2,000 years ago and beyond?
Of course you have no idea. I understand.
Can you tell me...Why bother bringing up things in the Bible, of which you know nothing about? It makes no sense. Unless... are you hoping we will teach you all the things you don't understand?
I think you know by now, how you can obtain a Bible study. Why not ask for one? They are free.

 

[Salvador]

A man waiting to consummate his marriage on his honeymoon where he finds out his newlywed bride is really a dude would be really awkward; this would be a really messed-up situation.

Interesting how that's the first thing your mind jumped to. To analyze, or not to analyze?

....You've figured me out....I'm somewhat intrigued by she-males.

I should not be ashamed for having been bi-curious.

 

[nPeace]

Ever hear "all things in moderation?" More study isn't needed. And yours is a decade old. If that's the most recent, it probably hasn't been replicated.

I thought you said there was no harm.
So there is harm then? What is moderate masturbation?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I thought you said there was no harm.
So there is harm then? What is moderate masturbation?

Water is harmless. Unless you get crazy and over do it, then drinking water can kill you. But that requires massive amounts to be drank in a very short time. But there is really no need to go around claiming water is a danger that causes harm. You just have to ignore your body's signs that you've taken in way too much as it is and keep on drinking.

 

[nPeace]

Water is harmless. Unless you get crazy and over do it, then drinking water can kill you. But that requires massive amounts to be drank in a very short time. But there is really no need to go around claiming water is a danger that causes harm. You just have to ignore your body's signs that you've taken in way too much as it is and keep on drinking.

I think that's a poor analogy.
How can one overdo drinking water?
Urinating is good too, When you drink too much water, you will pass it out.
Next you would probably use an analogy like breathing is good, unless we overdo it.

We were talking about moral issues, weren't we?
What body signs does one look for to know that they are masturbating too much?

 

[arthra]

Do you think premarital sex is moral or immoral? Why or why not?

To me there are too many problems with "premarital sex" including potential spread of venereal disease... lack of responsibility for the outcome … breakdown of social values, etc. As the following suggests:

"The Bahá'í Teachings on this matter, which is of such vital concern and about which there is a wide divergency of views, are very clear and emphatic. Briefly stated the Bahá'í conception of sex is based on the belief that chastity should be strictly practised by both sexes, not only because it is in itself highly commendable ethically, but also due to its being the only way to a happy and successful marital life. Sex relationships of any form, outside marriage, are not permissible therefor, and whoso violates this rule will not only be responsible to God, but will incur the necessary punishment from society."

(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 344)

 

[Salvador]

I think that's a poor analogy.
How can one overdo drinking water?
Urinating is good too, When you drink too much water, you will pass it out.

Water intoxication is a potentially life threatening condition.

Water intoxication - Wikipedia

 

[Salvador]

I have a friend who has an IQ high enough to dispute facts.

She says that especially child pornography, but also pornography and adultery, cause serious damage to society.

If somebody were occupied with looking at pornography on his home computer, then he would not be in public where he could sexually assault anybody.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How can one overdo drinking water?

Hyperhydration. It's fatal.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Adultery and child porn, yes, but not legal adult porn. The only issue adult porn really causes is warping people's view of and expectations of sex. But if you keep in mind that actual sex isn't like professional porn and to keep it in its place, you should be okay.

But when it warps your mind of your expectations, that is a loss.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I possess a genius level IQ. But you don't need it to study basic undergrad psychology.

I don't think anyone other than NAMBLA members and pedophiles are going to defend child porn. And not too many people are fond of the idea of people cheating on their spouse. Regular porn though, study after study has shown it doesn't do any harm. Healthy adults do tend to realize it's a fantasy, and use it as they will from there (some couples even enjoy watching it together).

It's the masturbation that the porn leads to. I read an article that it lights up the same centers and more a marijuana, cocaine and heroine and obesity.

 

[robocop (actually)]

If somebody were occupied with looking at pornography on his home computer, then he would not be in public where he could sexually assault anybody.

Well, we know that a subset of those people seek out further action with other people.

 

[JJ50]

Masturbation should be encouraged if it prevents kids having sex before they are sensible enough to take proper precautions.

 

[viole]

I think that's a poor analogy.
How can one overdo drinking water?

One definite upper bound is one ton per day.

Ciao

- viole

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hey everyone. I wanted to debate about whether or not premarital sex is moral or immoral. I will take the Catholic side since I am Catholic. We believe that premarital sex is immoral. We believe that it is gravely sinful which means that if it is done with full consent of the will and knowledge of the gravity of the sin, it becomes a mortal sin which can send you to Hell.

Anyway, we Catholics believe that sexual intercourse has two purposes: procreation and the union of the spouses which have to be one man and one woman as we don't believe in same-sex marriages. Premarital sex is often violating the first purpose as it is often contracepted sex. Premarital sex always violates the second purpose since the two having sex with each other are not married.

We believe that the Bible speaks out against premarital sex but I will not quote all of the citations from the Bible about it at this time.

So, what do you think? Do you think premarital sex is moral or immoral? Why or why not?

Not only do I think premarital sex is perfectly fine, I think that abstaining from sex until marriage is generally a bad idea.

When a couple abstains until marriage:

- it can create pressure to marry just to have sex.
- it robs the couple of knowing whether they're compatible in an important way before they actually make the commitment of marriage.

It also perpetuates the idea that marriage is a breeding arrangement and not a partnership based on love.

All in all, I'd say that a couple that abstains until marriage is setting themselves up for a higher risk of divorce. Because of this, I think that this means that teaching abstinence is generally incompatible - or at least problematic - with upholding the sanctity of marriage.

 

[viole]

....and never satisfies.

How do you know?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's the masturbation that the porn leads to. I read an article that it lights up the same centers and more a marijuana, cocaine and heroine and obesity.

I know that anti-porn people try to present porn as some sort of drug but that's nonsense. It's not physically addicting or anything, at least as far as sexual pleasure usually goes. It's no different from being aroused or orgasming at any other time.

I'm not sure why obesity is mentioned there. Those are three very different drugs, as well.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I know that anti-porn people try to present porn as some sort of drug but that's nonsense. It's not physically addicting or anything, at least as far as sexual pleasure usually goes. It's no different from being aroused or orgasming at any other time.

I'm not sure why obesity is mentioned there. Those are three very different drugs, as well.

You're cool with me, but I disagree. Those pleasure/reward centers of the brain light up for real. If it's not physically addicting, then why do they have sexaholics anonymous?

I read the Psych 101 book at UCLA and took the class. I looked at the Psych 201 book. I couldn't find anything about masturbation.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You're cool with me, but I disagree. Those pleasure/reward centers of the brain light up for real. If it's not physically addicting, then why do they have sexaholics anonymous?

I read the Psych 101 book at UCLA and took the class. I looked at the Psych 201 book. I couldn't find anything about masturbation.

Eating food makes those centers activate, as well. Anything that is pleasurable will make the same regions activate.

People with sex addictions have impulsive personalities they can't control. It's not because sex itself is addicting. Anything can be psychologically addicting if you're predisposed to addiction.

 

[Sand Dancer]

What I find clear is the internal harmony among the many Bible writers (God's secretaries).
The message is clear about fornication (porneia) and adultery being unscriptural because all Bible writers agree.
If we look up the words fornication and adultery in a comprehensive concordance we can see how many times such words appear, or being sexually immoral appear, and that Bible writers do Not differ.

Adultery and miscarriage/abortion were property crimes, not immoral. Premarital sex and rape were condoned in the OT. Porn would have been, what, statues of nudes back then?