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Religions always take from other religions. It's not unique. The Bible was influenced by Zoroastrianism, Greek, Egyptian and Mesopotamian religion. So?
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What is the Trinity?
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Trimurti - Hindu Trinity of Supreme Divinity | Mythology.net
Religions always take from other religions. It's not unique. The Bible was influenced by Zoroastrianism, Greek, Egyptian and Mesopotamian religion. So?
MJFlores
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What is the biggest lie?
The biggest lie is when a bunch of people said that Jesus is God.
You shouldn't splice posts and pick a statement for you to deliver what you want.
"Now does it fit? If the word is Jesus Christ, as you say the following can be derived:
1] Jesus Christ was with God - hence Jesus Christ is not God because he is with God
2] Jesus Christ was God - past tense, no longer God and this is in the beginning - used to be God but not anymore
3] Jesus Christ was with God in the beginning - and it really distinguishes who is God and who is Jesus Christ and clearly enough Jesus Christ is not God but he was with God in the beginning.
4] Through Jesus Christ all things were made - he was made an instrument for which creation was made by God.
These are the points if we superimpose THE WORD with JESUS CHRIST
And it does not prove Jesus Christ is God but rather the opposite."
Your application of the Word equating this with Jesus Christ is a farce and does not fit what the Bible is telling.
The Word is not Jesus Christ
The Word is ABOUT JESUS CHRIST
John
Moffatt(i) 1 THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine. 2 He was with God in the very beginning: 3 through him all existence came into being, no existence came into being apart from him. 4 In him life lay, and this life was the Light for men:
Moffatt, New Translation
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Moffatt, New Translation is an abbreviation of the title "The Holy Bible Containing the Old and New Testaments, a New Translation" by James Moffatt. Wikipedia
Complete Bible published: 1922
Abbreviation: MNT
Publisher: The University of Chicago Press
SA Huguenot
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So, what do you say, was Jesus God in the Beginning, or not?
Simple question man!
You contradicted yourself and I caught you doing so.
Then...
Pal, Moffat actually proved the Trinity with John1.
Did you not know that little fact?
But again, with you twisting the word LOGOS, you keep on forgetting that even if you make LOGOS "Divine", you are still making something else God.
The Bible describes itself my Friend.
Jesus was teh Word who created everything and became flesh and lived amongst us.
Changing the word LOGOS to a Plan, will not change the fact that This Plan of yours became flesh and lived amongst us.
Did you watch that debate with James White how he kicked *** and chew bubblegum with your preacher?
lostwanderingsoul
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Do you realize that many of the LDS beliefs come from the Bible? Not just the Book of Mormon. This is such a narrow minded view, do you even know any LDS beliefs? Or just automatically reject them? By the way, I am not LDS but I can respect them and their beliefs even if I may not completely agree with all of them.
MJFlores
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Jesus is not God
Never was and never will be
The PLAN about Jesus was with God
That Plan is also termed LOGOS
And through this PLAN ABOUT JESUS CHRIST everything was created
Stupid and smart people were created through the LOGOS
Trinitarian and non trinitarian people were created through the LOGOS
The LOGOS is the PLAN ABOUT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
The LOGOS or the WORD became flesh
It became a MAN and dwelt among us
The LOGOS or the PLAN ABOUT JESUS CHRIST
became fulfilled NOW WE HAVE THE REAL ENCHILADA
Jesus Christ is the MAN
Jesus Christ is not GOD because he is a MAN
God does not like a man to become a God.
A man is a man NOT A GOD
He can think like a God but a man is still a man
and this is what God said about this:
Ezekiel 28:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
“Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord God:
“Because your heart is lifted up,
And you say, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods,
In the midst of the seas,’
Yet you are a man, and not a god,
Though you set your heart as the heart of a god
God likewise does not like to become a man
God hates to become a man
God will never become a man
Never, never and God said that himself
Hosea 11:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
I will not execute the fierceness of My anger;
I will not again destroy Ephraim.
For I am God, and not man,
The Holy One in your midst;
And I will not come with terror.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
Doesn't saying the Word of YHWH mean that Jesus foremost attribute is that he is how God communicates? Jesus is said to be 100% man and 100% God by Trinitarians. Since the man part is a vessel, that part would be the suit. The suit is the vessel that Tony communicates though. But my analogy only works to that extent come to think of it. Tony communicates through the suit, but a part of him isn't present in the suit, he only directs it from home base. So the God being present in the vessel wouldn't apply.
But thinking further I think that God being split into shadow clones like Naruto does could work. (Dunno if you ever watched Naruto). This is how it works: Naruto, a person, splits himself into as many shadow clones as he wants. What shadow clones are are living Images of the character producing it. The power of the individual splits evenly amongst all clones, which each have the mind of the character producing them, but also can work independently and think independently. When they unite again all experience gets combined into the main body.
And thanks. These are things I am always arguing with myself about!
The LDS Church has the best afterlife of any religion; take it or leave it.
SA Huguenot
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Problem is, if I decide to believe the LDS, it will be on the principle that their prophets spoke the truth and their holy book relates with history.
Just on these 2 points the LDS fails.
Now how can anyone believe the promise of the LDS upon the afterlife, if their foundations on the current one is a lie?
Do you want to take that chance to deny what jesus said, and to follow a false prophet?
I refuse!
"Take it or leave it"; with the evidence of reasonable propability, I will leave it!
SA Huguenot
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Flores, flores, flores...
Jesus is not God
Never was and never will be
The PLAN about Jesus was with God
That Plan is also termed LOGOS
And through this PLAN ABOUT JESUS CHRIST everything was created
Stupid and smart people were created through the LOGOS
Trinitarian and non trinitarian people were created through the LOGOS
The LOGOS is the PLAN ABOUT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
The LOGOS or the WORD became flesh
It became a MAN and dwelt among us
The LOGOS or the PLAN ABOUT JESUS CHRIST
became fulfilled NOW WE HAVE THE REAL ENCHILADA
Jesus Christ is the MAN
Jesus Christ is not GOD because he is a MAN
God does not like a man to become a God.
A man is a man NOT A GOD
He can think like a God but a man is still a man
and this is what God said about this:
Ezekiel 28:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
“Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord God:
“Because your heart is lifted up,
And you say, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods,
In the midst of the seas,’
Yet you are a man, and not a god,
Though you set your heart as the heart of a god
God likewise does not like to become a man
God hates to become a man
God will never become a man
Never, never and God said that himself
Hosea 11:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
I will not execute the fierceness of My anger;
I will not again destroy Ephraim.
For I am God, and not man,
The Holy One in your midst;
And I will not come with terror.
It will not help if you continue to play your one string banjo hoping I would change my mind.
All these pictures you post is evidence that you can not explain your point, but have to attempt to intimidate.
Ho back to all the verses I gave where God and Jesus and the scripture claimed the divinity of Jesus.
Quoting verses, which have no validity as there is no verifiable evidence to back them up.
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
Explain?
The verifiable evidence is Numerous.
The OT for instance was coppied for overr 1200 years with no manuscripts in support, untill the discovery of the DSS.
This was evidence that the OT was dilligently coppied without any changes.
The NT was coppied and the oldest manuscripts we had dated from 1120 AD, untill the event of archaeology and the discovery of the Sinaiticus.
Which showed no changes, except for 17 verses which was lateron backed up with thousands of other manuscripts.
If you want to say the verses of the Bible has no validity or evidence to back it up, you are wrong.
if you want to say that the contents of the Bible has nothing to back it up, I think you should reconsider because the Bible is the only ancient book covering 2500 years of history, which by the way was critisized as incorrect about 200 years ago, but which made Atheists and agnostics swallow their words as one after the other archaeological discovery was made supporting what the Bible claimed for over 4 000 years.
if you want to claim that the Bible speaks about God, and you dont believe that God exists, thats yoyur choice.
But keep in mind...
It is what you BELIEVE, AND THIS MAKES YOUR CLAIMS JUST AN OPPOSITE RELIGION TO THE ONE I BELIEVE IN.
Again, I dont believe in God at all.
I know Him!
The Bible makes less than credible claims which can't be substantiated, like the flood, and the resurrection of Jesus, for instance.
MJFlores
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Jesus isn't God
There is only one God
He is not the Son
The Son is human
God is not human
Christ Jesus is a MAN
1 Timothy 2:5 New King James Version (NKJV)
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
The mediator between God and men
Is a MAN
and is not God
Jesus isn't God
There is only one God
He is not the Son
The Son is human
God is not human
Christ Jesus is a MAN
1 Timothy 2:5 New King James Version (NKJV)
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
The mediator between God and men
Is a MAN
and is not God
There are many gods, all created by humans, imo.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Very true, however the Bible has this to say:
1 Corinthians 8:5-6 New King James Version (NKJV)
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
The Bible, a very human collection of documents, says a lot of silly things that being one of them, imo.
Very true, however the Bible has this to say:
1 Corinthians 8:5-6 New King James Version (NKJV)
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
SA Huguenot
Well-Known Member
Yes, however, there are many scientific descriptions no one believed that was only found to be in the Bible, yet, today science confirms it all.
Have you ever read Emmanuel Kants Theory of the Heavens where the nebular theory was copied from Genesis?
Today most scientists agree that the Solar System, and Universe underwent a formation of the Nebular theory which kant described in 1755.
Isaac Newton also used bBiblical understanding in his work of light where he knew that God contained all colors of light, and came to the conclusion that White light is a mixture of all color.
This he did to counter the Catholic Jesuite claim that colored light was contaminated and white light pure.
He always trusted the Bible and I am of opinion that he used his analogy of the falling apple explaining gravity, as Genesis containing the explanation.
He loved to create puzzles and quizes, and used the Apple as a reference to creation many times.
Anyhow, I will never have believed in the Bible, if I found things in it that was false.
Global flood.
Well, Nicola Stenno, Newton and Kant explained it with their discoveries, and an interesting observation by Stenno and Kant. How did shells and spunges end up on top of the Alps and European mountains?
Kant claimed by right that the earth was not so crumbled up as now, and before the flood the oceans and mountains were verry shallow.
Fits in with the nebular theory.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
The Scriptures or the word of God tells us about who is God and who isn't God.
And the scriptures also tells us who is teaching the wrong doctrines and who has the sound doctrines
During the time of Moses and the people of the old book, God is:
Numbers 23:19 New King James Version (NKJV)
“God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
Isn't that very clear?
The Bible declares GOD IS NOT A MAN
NOR A SON OF MAN
If one sees a human being then the Bible teaches that individual is NOT GOD
The question is what did Jesus Christ said about himself?
John 8:39-40 New King James Version (NKJV)
They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.
Who should we believe?
Jesus Christ who is written in the Bible
Jesus Christ who spoke about who he really is
Jesus Christ who said I AM A MAN
Jesus Christ who said he heard the truth from God
Or should you believe in dead bishops and pagan Emperors
Bishops who voted in 325 AD that Christ is God in Nicaea [now in Turkey]
And after 56 years, in 381 AD voted once again that HS is God too in Constantinople [also in Turkey]
What are the first Christian's belief about God before 325 AD?
John 17:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Who spoke those words? Jesus Christ spoke those words
While he spoke, what did he do? He lifted UP his eyes to heaven
Why is that? Because he was praying to the Father
What did Jesus declare? The way to eternal life
What is the way to eternal life?
To know that the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD
and To know that Jesus Christ was sent by the Father
and To know that Jesus Christ was sent by the Father
If people do not believe these?
Then they won't have eternal life come Judgement Day
The Scriptures or the word of God tells us about who is God and who isn't God.
And the scriptures also tells us who is teaching the wrong doctrines and who has the sound doctrines
During the time of Moses and the people of the old book, God is:
Numbers 23:19 New King James Version (NKJV)
“God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
Isn't that very clear?
The Bible declares GOD IS NOT A MAN
NOR A SON OF MAN
If one sees a human being then the Bible teaches that individual is NOT GOD
The question is what did Jesus Christ said about himself?
John 8:39-40 New King James Version (NKJV)
They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.
Who should we believe?
Jesus Christ who is written in the Bible
Jesus Christ who spoke about who he really is
Jesus Christ who said I AM A MAN
Jesus Christ who said he heard the truth from God
Or should you believe in dead bishops and pagan Emperors
Bishops who voted in 325 AD that Christ is God in Nicaea [now in Turkey]
And after 56 years, in 381 AD voted once again that HS is God too in Constantinople [also in Turkey]
What are the first Christian's belief about God before 325 AD?
John 17:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Who spoke those words? Jesus Christ spoke those words
While he spoke, what did he do? He lifted UP his eyes to heaven
Why is that? Because he was praying to the Father
What did Jesus declare? The way to eternal life
What is the way to eternal life?
To know that the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD
and To know that Jesus Christ was sent by the Father
If people do not believe these?
Then they won't have eternal life come Judgement Day
No human is as evil as the god character.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
What is clear is that at the time that was written God was not a man. It does not say that God will not become a man in the future. It says that at that present time, God was not a man. If the Trinitarians are correct, the God only manifested as a man way after the above text was written.
Also, when Abraham meets the three men, two of them are angels and one is simply referred to as YHWH. So in that case YHWH was identified as a man.
Even though Jesus was a man, even if one doesn't believe he was God, he was certainly more than a man, and wasn't a man in the usual sense. He pre-existed, didn't have a father and was sinless. The previous scripture you mentioned identifies God as not being a man because he doesn't lie. Jesus was sinless and never lied. So is this certainly more than the qualities precluding God from being a man in Numbers.
Watch this:
Benjamin Sommer, a Jewish scholar, discusses how ancient Israelites view of God actually reflected the near eastern idea of what a God is, that God could have many separate bodies from his heavenly one. His explanation is a good answer for the next scripture you quote, where the Avatar of God (Jesus). The Avatar would be God and have a God at the same time, in the same way the angel in the burning bush was YHWH and not YHWH at the same time.