Christianity: A Summary

[Kenny]

Yes, quite a few Christians make this error. Though not most. Creationism is a disease that is the worst in the U.S..

You mean, God didn't create the world?

 

[leov]

How does that change my statement? Aren't all civilizations built on the backs of barbarians?

I did not argue with you. Just interesting moment, Greek civilization is very visible one can still see it. Biblical civilization of Judea is hardly confirmed by archeology. Interesting.

 

[Road Warrior]

I did not argue with you. Just interesting moment, Greek civilization is very visible one can still see it. Biblical civilization of Judea is hardly confirmed by archeology. Interesting.

My understanding is that a lot of Judea is confirmed. Why do you think it is not?

 

[leov]

I see just the opposite. The false caricatures of Christianity are repeated loudly and constantly, until the actual Truth is obscured. That seems to be the goal..

If the ACTUAL TRUTH was indeed the ACTUAL TRUTH then I would expect that those with the ACTUAL TRUTH would be able to provide verifiable evidence for their claims that those who claim a FALSE CHRISTIANITY cannot. Yet, none of the thousands of different Christian sects has any greater evidence of their ACTUAL TRUTH than those who are FALSE CHRISTIANS.

You see ACTUAL TRUTH should be verifiable. I can claim that 2 + 2 = 4 and someone else can claim that 2 + 2 = 5. Yet, ONLY the person who is telling the ACTUAL TRUTH would be able to provide verifiable evidence for their claim. The truth of 2 + 2 = 4 can't be 'obscured' once that verifiable evidence is presented, no matter how loudly and constantly others insist that 2 + 2 = 5.

That is true about physical actual truth but something based in intuition is different.

 

[leov]

My understanding is that a lot of Judea is confirmed. Why do you think it is not?

They can not find temples, King David, exodus, grand palaces, and what they found shifted in time by some 100 years. Samaria is confirmed more or less.

 

[Road Warrior]

They can not find temples, King David, exodus, grand palaces, and what they found shifted in time by some 100 years. Samaria is confirmed more or less.

So the Wailing Wall is a myth in your opinion? Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've been there.

 

[leov]

So the Wailing Wall is a myth in your opinion? Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've been there.

Wailing Wall is not part of the Second Temple, as far as I know.

 

[QuestioningMind]

That is true about physical actual truth but something based in intuition is different.

That's correct. Just like if we look up at the sky and watch the sun rise in the east and descend in the west, INTUITIVELY, one would conclude that the sun is orbiting around the Earth. However, the physical actual TRUTH is that the Earth is orbiting around the sun. Thus an intuitive 'truth' may not in actuality reflect the actual physical truth. That's why verifiable EVIDENCE is so important.

 

[leov]

That's correct. Just like if we look up at the sky and watch the sun rise in the east and descend in the west, INTUITIVELY, one would conclude that the sun is orbiting around the Earth. However, the physical actual TRUTH is that the Earth is orbiting around the sun. Thus an intuitive 'truth' may not in actuality reflect the actual physical truth. That's why verifiable EVIDENCE is so important.

Physical evidence is objective, intuition evidence is subjective.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You mean, God didn't create the world?

If he did he did not do it the way that creationists imagine that it happened. Creationists believe that God is a liar. They don't realize this, but they do.

 

[Road Warrior]

Wailing Wall is not part of the Second Temple, as far as I know.

What is it then? What about the entire city of old Jerusalem? Are you trying to say the Jews never existed and that the Moors built everything?

 

[leov]

What is it then? What about the entire city of old Jerusalem? Are you trying to say the Jews never existed and that the Moors built everything?

I did not say that Old Jerusalem is a myth. Nothing like that. Just said that archeology did not confirm OT. I also said that OT is a theological treatise not a historical record, rather Gnostic type mix.
If you go to NT, if says Bethlehem - 'House of bread'. Egypt was known by this name in ancient times, and NT says “OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON.” and in Genesis : “then there was famine in all the lands, but in all the land of Egypt there was bread”, just an example.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Physical evidence is objective, intuition evidence is subjective.

And the subjective intuitive 'evidence' that the sun orbits the Earth is 100% WRONG. Whereas the objective physical evidence indicates the the Earth actually orbits the sun. Subject 'evidence' is worthless, unless it's accompanied by objective verifiable evidence.

 

[leov]

And the subjective intuitive 'evidence' that the sun orbits the Earth is 100% WRONG. Whereas the objective physical evidence indicates the the Earth actually orbits the sun. Subject 'evidence' is worthless, unless it's accompanied by objective verifiable evidence.

Intuition goes beyond physical world that is what I wanted to say, no physical or mathematical proof exists.

 

[Kenny]

If he did he did not do it the way that creationists imagine that it happened. Creationists believe that God is a liar. They don't realize this, but they do.

Some things just don't require an answer

 

[Subduction Zone]

What is it then? What about the entire city of old Jerusalem? Are you trying to say the Jews never existed and that the Moors built everything?

A city does not confirm the existence of an ancient ruler.

Some things just don't require an answer

That is because you have none. It seems from your inappropriate facepalm that you believe that New York City is evidence for Spiderman.

 

[Kenny]

A city does not confirm the existence of an ancient ruler.

That is because you have none. It seems from your inappropriate facepalm that you believe that New York City is evidence for Spiderman.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see that you still don't know how to use a facepalm. There really is not much difference between Spiderman and King David. They are both mythical figures.

 

[Road Warrior]

A city does not confirm the existence of an ancient ruler....

Of course not, but it's silly to deny historical evidence just to push one's religious agenda. I suppose you think Joan of Arc and Queen Boudica are myths too. That Hadrian's Wall is just for show?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course not, but it's silly to deny historical evidence just to push one's religious agenda. I suppose you think Joan of Arc and Queen Boudica are myths too. That Hadrian's Wall is just for show?

There is very little if any historical evidence for King David. The stories about him are as reliable as the stories about King Arthur.