Countries banning of kosher meats are forcing "expulsion" of Jews

[Subduction Zone]

This makes sense. I mean there are certain things which are barbaric like for example eating dogs (and just about anything else that moves) in China. And perhaps Halal slaughter.

But I would make an acception for Kosher slaughter.

When it comes to cattle at least kosher slaughter looks the same as halal slaughter. In both cases the animal suffers unnecessarily. Stunning as a first step does not harm the meat in any way. It makes it a less painful experience for the animal.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

The cut to the neck, without stunning, leaves the heart to pump out as much of the blood as possible. In OT rules, it is forbidden to eat meat with the animal's blood in it. So, this appears to be an attack on religious rules also.

Isn't that what a slaughterhouse does though except they stun it, and then turn it vertical and drain the blood while the heart still pumps

 

[amorphous_constellation]

When it comes to cattle at least kosher slaughter looks the same as halal slaughter. In both cases the animal suffers unnecessarily. Stunning as a first step does not harm the meat in any way. It makes it a less painful experience for the animal.

Right, but the stunning doesn't technically kill it right, and the heart still pumps a while to get all the blood out, I think the term is exanguination and it is incorporated in modern technique I thought

 

[Shad]

Whatever else may be in the article, these points stand:
1. Jews who are observant must eat only kosher meat, which means (among other things) properly sheched. This method is practically pain free and unconsciousness occurs within seconds. It is designed for its kindness.
2. These countries are in fact outlawing kosher slaughtering.
3. That means that all Jews who are observant are force (once again in history) to leave.

Those three points are without dispute.

You could of asked what I was talking about.

It is slanted as it is emphasizing Jews although millions more Muslims are effected. Some of it smacks of sensationalism.

In general I think the animal rights crowd has gone a little overboard. Outside of large slaughterhouses government has little control or oversight anyways.

 

[rosends]

You do not seem to be able to ask a question properly. Let me help you with that. You can't do it as part of a debate. You won't learn that way. Ask it in a separate post.

The rest of your post appears to be whining and complaining. Let's start over, you might do better the second time around.

Sadly, I fear that you will get just as lost and be equally as unable to substantiate your position by citing anything other than your own misunderstandings and skewed perspective. When you realize what you don't know, feel free to ask so that you can learn.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sadly, I fear that you will get just as lost and be equally as unable to substantiate your position by citing anything other than your own misunderstandings and skewed perspective. When you realize what you don't know, feel free to ask so that you can learn.

Once again you run away and accuse others of your inabilities. And you wonder why others point out your projection. Are you just trolling the thread at this point?

 

[rosends]

Once again you run away and accuse others of your inabilities. And you wonder why others point out your projection. Are you just trolling the thread at this point?

I'm just pointing out your inadequacies, logical, linguistic and factual. All you can do is lash out because you are unable to answer in any relevant way. Why are you even here? I use quotes, make direct references and cite sources. You misuse words, refer to inaccurate ideas and mistake your vision of the world for something more. Please, if you feel the need to respond to me, try to say something of substance, based in actual knowledge and responding to material that has been explicitly stated. Your guesswork and evasion are just an embarrassment. You simply lack the faculties to recognize that.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It is slanted as it is emphasizing Jews although millions more Muslims are effected.

I would agree with you there.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

This makes sense. I mean there are certain things which are barbaric like for example eating dogs (and just about anything else that moves) in China. And perhaps Halal slaughter.

But I would make an exception for Kosher slaughter.

There is no religious imperative to eat dog.

As far as I know,there is nothing immoral about eating dog-- it's certainly no worse than eating cow or pig or chicken. In the west it offends us because we keep dogs as pets and invite them into our homes as family. Not every culture does that. To them, it's just another animal. To someone in PETA, they may have a pig as a pet. To them, eating pork is morally abhorrent.

The thing is, we have certain cultural norms. It is the cultural norm in some countries to eat dogs. It is the cultural norm in mine to preserve dogs from the butchering block.

However, what if someone were religiously OBLIGATED to eat dog? That would present a problem. Thankfully no such religion exists.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

God cursed the descendants of Ishmael. I wonder if he cursed the Jews somehow?

I'm not aware of any curses against Ishmaelites or Jews.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm just pointing out your inadequacies, logical, linguistic and factual. All you can do is lash out because you are unable to answer in any relevant way. Why are you even here? I use quotes, make direct references and cite sources. You misuse words, refer to inaccurate ideas and mistake your vision of the world for something more. Please, if you feel the need to respond to me, try to say something of substance, based in actual knowledge and responding to material that has been explicitly stated. Your guesswork and evasion are just an embarrassment. You simply lack the faculties to recognize that.

But you have not show one. You only made unsupported claims. So I guess the answer is that you are trolling the thread. That is common behavior among those that know that they have an indefensible belief.

 

[rosends]

But you have not show one. You only made unsupported claims. So I guess the answer is that you are trolling the thread. That is common behavior among those that know that they have an indefensible belief.

You ignore the supporting information and claim it isn't there. And yet, it is. You should reread the posts, this time, with your eyes open. Your mad flailing is a sure sign of weakness.

 

[Wandering Monk]

When it comes to cattle at least kosher slaughter looks the same as halal slaughter. In both cases the animal suffers unnecessarily. Stunning as a first step does not harm the meat in any way. It makes it a less painful experience for the animal.

You keep saying this, but how does it suffer? What kind of suffering?

 

[David1967]

When it comes to cattle at least kosher slaughter looks the same as halal slaughter. In both cases the animal suffers unnecessarily. Stunning as a first step does not harm the meat in any way. It makes it a less painful experience for the animal.

Right. I seriously doubt that God would get mad at them for decreasing the suffering of the animal.

 

[David1967]

God cursed the descendants of Ishmael. I wonder if he cursed the Jews somehow?

Actually Ishmael was promised a blessing as well. His descendents have certainly iherited some very valuable really estate.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You may have missed where it was said that those are things other religions have had to put aside and leave in the past. To ask Judaism to update it's method of slaughter is no different, and no worse.

To update it how???? Kosher slaughter causes minimal pain, and unconsciousness is achieved within seconds. Knock and shoot also causes minimum pain, and death from the bullet also follows shortly after the knock.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

When it comes to cattle at least kosher slaughter looks the same as halal slaughter. In both cases the animal suffers unnecessarily. Stunning as a first step does not harm the meat in any way. It makes it a less painful experience for the animal.

excuse me, but stunning is painful. It's just as painful as a shech.

 

[Stevicus]

Right. I seriously doubt that God would get mad at them for decreasing the suffering of the animal.

I used to think that, until I saw this scene:

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Are they expelling Jews from these countries or just requiring that they obey their laws regarding animal cruelty?

Is there any difference when the rubber meets the road? Looks like you are splitting hairs.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

How are they being expelled? If Jews want to torture animals, they should do it where it's allowed. It's not like they're being kicked out.

Btw, I'm Jewish. I mean, I'm an atheist but my mother is Jewish. Does that not make me still Jewish by some weird Judaical perspective? And I don't give a rats ***.

Sure, your a Jew. Sounds like you hate being a Jew. What can I say.