Sex strike

[It Aint Necessarily So]

People can control their sexual desires they just refuse to.

People have no need or reason to conform to your expectations for their sexual behavior.

you have control over your desires. You just refuse to.

No, I have control over my desires and choose to indulge them as I have my entire adulthood. I grew up in Southern California in the late sixties and early seventies, the era of the sexual revolution and free love. I lived away from home in a dorm at UCLA. Do the math yourself. No regrets. No infections. No unplanned pregnancies.

There is no virtue in celibacy or abstinence. Choose them if you like, but your expectation that others should conform to your values is irrelevant to them if they don't hold conservative Christian values, which in their most Puritan manifestation, teach that sex is dirty, and that it is immoral to derive pleasure from sex or have sex for pleasure. Liberals of my generation simply don't see sex as something to be done only to reproduce, and then only quickly and in the dark.

it doesn't change the fact the biological reason we have sexual organs and reproductive systems is to reproduce.

That may be natures agenda, but it isn't mine or that of some others posting here. As you indicated, we now have the ability to impose discipline on ourselves and take our lives in different directions than our uncivilized ape ancestors and cousins. We are no longer relegated to instinct or nature's call alone in choosing behavior

All the more reason for reasonable people to practice self discipline. So that they can't take control of their own sexual power instead of letting others have that power over them.

There you go again defining reasonableness and self-discipline by your values and standards. I don't consider your recommendations or expectations reasonable. Why deny yourself so many pleasant experiences when they can be enjoyed without harm or excessive risk?

Reasonable people should have as much sex as they want and can have without causing harm to themselves or others, that is, the sex should be safe, legal, and between consenting adults.

the fact that your body was created from the act of sex, to grow, and then create another person, to grow, and create another person etc. This is the reason for sex.

Perhaps that's nature's reason for sex, but not necessarily mine or the next guy's. Since we'd be the ones who reap the rewards and pay the costs of our choices, we'll be the ones making them, not nature.

 

[Nakosis]

A mans opinion of a womans body is superficial, that body belongs to the woman in the same way a mans body belongs to the man.

I agree. Lets make sure we all do our part.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I just celebrated my 8th anniversary. Sex is just as important as it has ever been. If it isn't for you, I have to admit I feel sorry for you and your spouse.

Agreed. We're going on 18 years together over here. We still like to get it on as much as we can.

 

[Enoch07]

Nope. You can tell by the countless rebuttals that you got and then your later change. Please, if you can't debate properly, that means acknowledging your errors, then there is no point in going on.

I will merely continue to correct your errors.

I just ask you to correct it and you refused.

So meh away with your trolling!

 

[Enoch07]

Why is the biological purpose the one that wins?

Because it is the primary reason. Its literally the reason we are here (as in alive/exist) to have this discussion.

 

[Enoch07]

I dunno. I see a whole lot of non-human animals engaging in recreational sex. It's a biological fact. Another interesting biological fact is that among organisms that can reproduce both asexually and sexually, asexual reproduction is favored during times of abundance and non-stress, whereas sexual reproduction is favored during times of stress (possibly to mix up the genes to find something that can adapt to the stress.) Perhaps recreational sex is a way to break the primeval association between sexual reproduction and stress, especially among species that no longer have asexual reproduction?

Have these non-human animals told you that it is recreational sex, that's not meant to reproduce?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I just ask you to correct it and you refused.

So meh away with you troll!

There was no correction required. You changed your argument. Calling others names is against the rules.

 

[Enoch07]

People have no need or reason to conform to your expectations for their sexual behavior.

Never said they should be forced. But it wouldn't hurt them of they tried it.

There is no virtue in celibacy or abstinence

Sure there is. Otherwise you wouldn't despise it.

That may be natures agenda,

Nature is greater than you or I my friend.

Why deny yourself so many pleasant experiences when they can be enjoyed without harm or excessive risk?

Because that is discipline. If you only denied yourself when there was excessive risk or harm, then that's not discipline that's just being prudent. Discipline is practicing restraint when there is no real reason to, so that when there is a reason to you are prepared.

 

[Enoch07]

There was no correction required. You changed your argument. Calling others names is against the rules.

Nope as I said. You just never understood my argument from the get go. You jump to falsehoods and assumptions then get mad when you can't beat the argument. Maybe try tackling the actual argument vs the argument you want it to be?

 

[crossfire]

Have these non-human animals told you that it is recreational sex, that's not meant to reproduce?

Sex outside of estrus is not recreational? (I've heard the term "recreational sex" used by biologists when referring to elephants who mate outside of estrus, but there are also many other forms of sexual behavior among animals that are obviously not reproductive in nature (homosexual sex and other non-reproductive variants of sex being the most obvious. If animals engage in obvious non-reproductive variants of sex for fun, than other less obvious forms of sex must also be called into question, especially when they occur outside of estrus. Google is your friend.)

 

[crossfire]

Sex outside of estrus is not recreational? (I've heard the term "recreational sex" used by biologists when referring to elephants who mate outside of estrus, but there are also many other forms of sexual behavior among animals that are obviously not reproductive in nature (homosexual sex and other non-reproductive variants of sex being the most obvious. If animals engage in obvious non-reproductive variants of sex for fun, than other less obvious forms of sex must also be called into question, especially when they occur outside of estrus. Google is your friend.)

If you want an obvious example of a species that engages in copious amounts of obviously recreational sex, just google up bonobos.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope as I said. You just never understood my argument from the get go. You jump to falsehoods and assumptions then get mad when you can't beat the argument. Maybe try tackling the actual argument vs the argument you want it to be?

Nope, I was not the only one. That indicates you were at fault.

Try again.

 

[Enoch07]

Calling others names is against the rules.

So is misrepresenting arguments. But I corrected mine at least.

 

[Enoch07]

Nope, I was not the only one. That indicates you were at fault.

Try again.

No need to, I'm good.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Because it is the primary reason. Its literally the reason we are here (as in alive/exist) to have this discussion.

The original purpose for bubble wrap was as wall paper.

Are you saying that something cannot be re-purposed or be moved beyond the original function?

I would say that recreation is a significant driver for sex and that it occurs quite often with no intention for reproduction.

 

[Enoch07]

Are you saying that something cannot be re-purposed or be

I agree

It can be repurposed.

But it doesn't negate the fact that is why it existed to begin with. Understand?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I agree

It can be repurposed.

But it doesn't negate the fact that is why it existed to begin with. Understand?

As a biologist and an old dude, I probably understood that before you were born.

 

[Enoch07]

As a biologist and an old dude, I probably understood that before you were born.

Awesome glad we can see eye to eye then.

 

[Shad]

As is sex with birth control, potentially backed up by abortion if the BC fails.

Ergo Abortion is just a form of birth control for the irresponsible and unaware. Taxpayers must pay the bills for people's idea of fun. I wonder when the government will buy me a new snowboard so I do can have government funded fun.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Awesome glad we can see eye to eye then.

That does not change the fact that sex for recreational purposes overtakes its reproductive roll in many cultures.