Scientists create living eating and growing machines...

[Darkstorn]

If you can't even answer a yes or no, then you're not even qualified to participate in the debate

Yes i am. Because i'm making the claim that what you think of knowledge, i consider only belief.

As in, i'm just honest. You don't know either. But you're too dishonest to admit it.

/E: Stop editing posts after people have already answered. That's incredibly dishonest.

Is life simply matter alone ?? what else might be required for life to exist ?

Uncertain. To both, although the materialistic view is highly evidenced, there's a lot to discover. Maybe even a deity of some sort. I'm actually giving you the faintest possibility of your claims being true.

But you're making the extreme claim that you KNOW that it's true. I'm very much against claims of knowledge when they are unsupported, like your claim is.

It's either matter alone or NOT matter alone < sheeeze

At least you admit this far. That is true. But i'm saying it isn't KNOWN to anyone, not really. Especially you. You don't know which one it is. Neither do i.

 

[Cleary]

But I'm saying it isn't known to anyone, not really. Especially you. You don't know which one it is. Neither do I

Yeah, not qualified ..... sorry, try another subject Darkstorn

Inside the Cell: DNA as a Library < a good place to start .. If you'd like to learn

..... < If you'd REALLY like to learn

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Oh. My. That "source" is so bad, so full of lies, that if they posted the Sun was expected to Rise in the Morning?

Most folk would stay up all night, just in case...

The site is, without a doubt, a Liar for Jesus website. I suppose lying is Okay, with Jesus, then?

What an odd thing to believe-- that Jesus would be okay with bald-faced lying...

 

[Cleary]

So I'll ask you Unbeliever

Is life simply matter alone ?? what else might be required for life to exist ?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Life is either matter alone or NOT matter alone < sheeeze

Neither. Life consists of matter and energy.

No *wonder* you are so very confused-- you lack a basic 6th grade biology education.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

..... < If you'd REALLY like to learn

Learn... what? How To Lie For Jesus And Be Unconvincing?

or?

Learn How To Be A Better Con-Artist, And Get Lots Of Money From Gullible People?

or?

Learn How To Ignore 100% Of Modern Scientific Biology, and Lie With A Straight Face?

Pass...

 

[Cleary]

Life consists of matter and energy. < okay, I'll give you that

there is still something missing in your equation, what might it be ... what MIGHT it be

Learn How To Ignore 100% Of Modern Scientific Biology, and Lie With A Straight Face?

Pass... < yeah, you'd better pass

DNA: the tiny code that's toppling evolution < more 'INFORMATION' lol ... for you

LUNCH !!!!! <3

 

[Valjean]

Before i respond to everyones points, tell me, is there any point in me doing so and if yes, what is it?

Education!
RF discussions are a good way of honing your analytic skills, and skill with argumentation and debate. You can discover flaws in your reasoning, and new facts that relate to the subject, &c.
You've undertaken to discuss theology and science with reasoning people. I trust you're here to learn something and not just to preach. But even if you are here to preach, take this as an opportunity to learn how the heathens think, and to practice your approach.

If you can't argue both/several sides of a given proposition, you might not be familiar enough with the subject to have a valid opinion.

Why is there so many atheists on here and not enough theists? Im bombarded with too much posts. Debating one person takes enough time. Where are all the theists at?

Are you conflating atheism with anyone who wants reasons to believe, who thinks logicallyor who bases his opinions on demonstrable facts?
The world isn't black and white. Atheism isn't the common denominator among those who prefer fact to faith.

Someone answer this......as long as weve debated on this forum, years, and no one is convinced either way, what is the point?

You may have a point. Maybe you're just hopelessly obtuse. You do seem uninterested in learning and immune to many cogent arguments.
But think of the opportunity to know your enemy. Few things are achieved without effort. Work at it.

 

[Darkstorn]

Life consists of matter and energy. < okay, I'll give you that

there is still something missing in your equation, what might it be ... what MIGHT it be

Learn How To Ignore 100% Of Modern Scientific Biology, and Lie With A Straight Face?

Pass... < yeah, you'd better pass

DNA: the tiny code that's toppling evolution < more 'INFORMATION' lol ... for you

LUNCH !!!!! <3

Can you quote something from a source other than your cult's propaganda? Or your own hideout?

Yeah, not qualified ..... sorry, try another subject Darkstorn

Hilarious. You're implying that if i'm not qualified, then neither are you. Maybe you should try a different approach.

I know more than you. Which is still not much. I know for example, that your knowledge is based on faith and belief.

 

[Valjean]

Whats the difference between nothing and no thing?

Again, unless you have some foundation of theoretical physics this question can't be answered. Even with an understanding of cosmology, singularity physics is pretty speculative.
Delving into the Origin of the Universe
Gravitational singularity - Wikipedia
Big Bang - Wikipedia

Now I could say the Universe expanded from a singularity; that time itself expanded into reality from that singularity, and that there were no things before time existed, ie: no things before things existed; no before before the expansion, but would this make sense to you, would it answer your question?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You believe chemicals created a full grown man out of dirt and chemicals but you don't think life could be created from a all powerful spirit being.

The human body is composed of elements and chemicals.

How did you determine that an "all powerful spirit being" created life on Earth? Where can I find this being?

Oh, they sure did say it, verbatum. Sure did.

Even richard dawkins said it. And that kruez guy.



Look up richard dawkins sayin it.



Im glad we agree.



Thats because im smart enough to keep things straght to the point.



Lol, you read em all huh? Boy, that musta took a LOOOOONG time.



Actually, i did click and read the link. And i also research too, despite the fact its boring as ****. Although sometimes its not. I like learning hands on. Thats my moto.



Richard dawkins.



I told you the mechanics.

God created matter out of himself, then formed and designed it.

That's not an explanation as to the mechanics involved - it's just another assertion. The mechanics of God creating matter "out of himself" then forming and designing it, requires some sort of explanation as to HOW this God supposedly did all that. You just keep saying "God did it" which is nothing more than a magic claim. How did God do it? What materials did he/she/it use? What process did he/she/it use? Stuff like that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes



Oh of course.....https://www.google.com/search?q=ric...droid-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8



Hey now, be nice, dont tell me shut up, youl hurt my feelins.



Da kroger effect eh?



You read 2 years of my posts? All of them in that 2 years? Get outta here, lol. Boy, you really must think im interesting.

Either that or you bs in me.

Or, you dont know what indepth looks like, lol.



Oh yes, the koger effect.



I know it because it makes sense. We see order and design in the world. Design implies a designer.

God is eternal, infinite in size energy, hes a concious, intelligent being. All he needs to do is imagine or picture what he wants to create, then it happens. The universe is INSIDE God because God is bigger then space.

How do you know this and how can you demonstrate it?

 

[Darkstorn]

His parents told him? I'm guessing that's about it because the description literally sounds like a description by a 5 year old.

 

[Cleary]

Can you quote something from a source other than your cult's propaganda?
Or your own hideout? .. Hilarious. You're implying that if i'm not qualified, then neither are you. Maybe you should try a different approach.
I know more than you. Which is still not much. I know for example, that your knowledge is based on faith and belief.

not at all .... the 3rd ingredient to life is total science < shall we continue ? ...
we'll talk 3rd element as soon as you can decipher what it is, if you can't, well, then why would I waste my time

Inside the Cell: DNA as a Library < Obviously you paid no attention ?

 

[We Never Know]

You believe chemicals created a full grown man out of dirt and chemicals but you don't think life could be created from a all powerful spirit being.

I accept life has been evolving for around 4 billion years. It started with a single cell and has evolved into what we see.

 

[Valjean]

The human body is composed of elements and chemicals.

How did you determine that an "all powerful spirit being" created life on Earth? Where can I find this being?

I think he's extrapolating from human technology. He sees complicated, human engineered things all around him, so assumes all complicated things must be engineered.

His grounding in religion provides a convenient Engineer, grounded in tradition and well supported by his status community.
People have been inventing fantastical "explanations" for millennia, so there's plenty of folklore to draw from.

 

[Jollybear]

You can call it foolishness, but then again, it's coming from you. And you're not a reliable source. It almost seems like you're barely holding onto a basic understanding of what we're talking about here.

Logic is my source and i use it. And its reliable.

Stop bearing false witness. You're now going against scripture. You're also a liar, a willful one. Show me ONE atheist who believes that. Shut up or put up.

I showed you in a link. Richard dawkins and kruez.

A atheist on here, Christine believes something came from nothing. Ive talked to her in the past.

 

[Jollybear]

I accept life has been evolving for around 4 billion years. It started with a single cell and has evolved into what we see.

Ok, so why is that easy to believe but a God guiding that whole process is hard?

 

[Polymath257]

Life consists of matter and energy. < okay, I'll give you that

there is still something missing in your equation, what might it be ... what MIGHT it be

Learn How To Ignore 100% Of Modern Scientific Biology, and Lie With A Straight Face?

Pass... < yeah, you'd better pass

DNA: the tiny code that's toppling evolution < more 'INFORMATION' lol ... for you

LUNCH !!!!! <3

But information is fully from the arrangement of matter and energy. It isn't a third ingredient.

ALL life consists of matter and energy. The information is *solely* contained in the arrangement of the matter and energy, like all information is.

 

[Valjean]

not at all .... the 3rd ingredient to life is total science < shall we continue ? ...
we'll talk 3rd element as soon as you can decipher what it is, if you can't, well, then why would I waste my time

Inside the Cell: DNA as a Library < Obviously you paid no attention ?

There's nothing magical about nucleic acids. They're simple polymers created by natural, observable mechanisms. The only "complicated" thing about them is the order of the monomers or bases. The mechanism of this ordering, too, is explained by biology.