Responding to anti-Muslim prejudices

[Jim]

With all of that said, what do you mean when you mention "anti-Muslim"?

False or misleading, sweeping, alarm-inducing, anger-inducing statements or insinuations about Muslims.

Do you have any objections to diversifying people's images of Muslims, being friends to some Muslims, or pointing out some fallacies in some sweeping, alarm-inducing, anger-inducing statements and insinuations about Muslims?

 

[Enoch07]

I've thought for a long time that exposing the fallacies in anti-Muslim propaganda is worse than useless, but now I might have seen some examples of where that might have done some good. Maybe it can do some good if it's done in the right spirit. One way I've thought of to help free people from anti'Muslim prejudices might be to help diversify their images of Muslims, but I haven't found any practical ways of doing that. I had some ideas that I tried on Facebook, but it took an enormous amount of searching on the Internet, and I couldn't keep it up. One way I've thought of to help counteract the effects of anti-Muslim prejudice is be a friend to some Muslims. Does anyone have any other ideas about how to help free people from anti-Muslim prejudices, and counteract their effects? Or maybe it isn't as big a problem as it sometimes appears to me to be in Internet discussions and media stories, and not even worth any attention.

The best way to stop anti-Muslim prejudice is for Muslims police their own people and stop radicals from blowing p00p up.

 

[Wandering Monk]

The best way to stop anti-Muslim prejudice is for Muslims police their own people and stop radicals from blowing p00p up.

And repudiate, arrest, and imprison (with a hungry boar) imams who promote violence.

 

[Audie]

The best way to stop anti-Muslim prejudice is for Muslims police their own people and stop radicals from blowing p00p up.

Seriously.

And as for prejudice.

PREjudice? It is post-judice we have here.
I had no particular opinion about islam and I expect
that is true of a lot of people who would as soon those
guys had not brought their ways so forcefully to our attention.

 

[Audie]

And repudiate, arrest, and imprison (with a hungry boar) imams who promote violence.

No sows?

 

[dybmh]

The best way to stop anti-Muslim prejudice is for Muslims police their own people and stop radicals from blowing p00p up.

With all due respect: How do you expect "Muslims" to succeed at this if established and well funded Government Military and Intelligence organizations cannot?

 

[Wandering Monk]

With all due respect: How do you expect "Muslims" to succeed at this if established and well funded Government Military and Intelligence organizations cannot?

They have a better 'boots on the ground' intel capability than governments.

 

[Vinayaka]

The best way to stop anti-Muslim prejudice is for Muslims police their own people and stop radicals from blowing p00p up.

The peaceful living Muslims of Sri Lanka this very moment are living in fear, awaiting the backlash, planning escape routes. The government has wisely shut down some media stuff conducive to mass hysteria. Mobs are dangerous. They learned something from 1982. There was one suicide bombing by a Tamil Tiger terrorist in Colombo, and the resulting backlash saw that death count multiplied by 10, and by a thousand by the time the war ended. The Sinhalese mobs hit everything Tamil, regardless of age, gender, person, etc. all innocent themselves from any association to the terrorists. We have friends who were hidden by Sinhalese sympathizers and neighbours, thus saving their lives. It can get downright crazy.

 

[Enoch07]

With all due respect: How do you expect "Muslims" to succeed at this if established and well funded Government Military and Intelligence organizations cannot?

That's what got us (the U.S.) into this mess to begin with.

Back in the late 70's early 80's the U.S. thought it was a bright idea to help the Afgans ward off the Russians.

Look what it got us....resentment and terror attacks.

 

[Enoch07]

Seriously

Super cereal....

Had 9/11 not happened we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

 

[Jim]

The best way to stop anti-Muslim prejudice is for Muslims police their own people and stop radicals from blowing p00p up.

Thank you for helping to point out some issues with Islam that I might want to address.

Do you have any objections to diversifying people's images of Muslims, being friends to some Muslims, or pointing out some fallacies in some sweeping, alarm-inducing, anger-inducing statements and insinuations about Muslims?

 

[Enoch07]

The peaceful living Muslims of Sri Lanka this very moment are living in fear, awaiting the backlash, planning escape routes. The government has wisely shut down some media stuff conducive to mass hysteria. Mobs are dangerous. They learned something from 1982. There was one suicide bombing by a Tamil Tiger terrorist in Colombo, and the resulting backlash saw that death count multiplied by 10, and by a thousand by the time the war ended. The Sinhalese mobs hit everything Tamil, regardless of age, gender, person, etc. all innocent themselves from any association to the terrorists. We have friends who were hidden by Sinhalese sympathizers and neighbours, thus saving their lives. It can get downright crazy.

I am sure they are and my heart goes out to the innocent peaceful Muslims in the area. It's not their fault that radicals are ruining life for everyone. I hope and pray they all find safety.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I am sure they are and my heart goes out to the innocent peaceful Muslims in the area. It's not their fault that radicals are ruining life for everyone. I hope and pray they all find safety.

All the apologists for Islam out there will tell you that the terrorists are only a tiny fraction of all Muslims. Well then, they should be easy for the majority to eliminate.

 

[Enoch07]

Thank you for helping to point out some issues with Islam that I might want to address.

Do you have any objections to diversifying people's images of Muslims, being friends to some Muslims, or pointing out some fallacies in some sweeping, alarm-inducing, anger-inducing statements and insinuations about Muslims?

I have no problem with Muslims in general, only radicals. I have a Muslim friend that had to leave his country because he is gay.


What I am saying is that if Muslims want people to be less angsty about Muslims. Seeing them police their own people to help cut down radicalization goes a long way. It's just the honest truth.

 

[Jim]

Until that achievement, we are bound to be trapped in a cycle of well-meaning yet ultimately pointless reminders that Muslims suffer from prejudice, that they are not of one mind, and the like. Those are all true and fair considerations, but skirt the actual issues.

Muslims suffering from prejudice is not an actual issue for you? Reminding people about that seems pointless to you?

 

[Vinayaka]

I am sure they are and my heart goes out to the innocent peaceful Muslims in the area. It's not their fault that radicals are ruining life for everyone. I hope and pray they all find safety.

This situation has been building for a few years now, and if it follows the pattern of 40 years ago, will only escalate. At the heart of the problem for the minorities is a very strong Nationalist group within the Sinhalese that want the island cleansed of it's 3 minorities. The minorities haven't been happy about it for a very long time. It's sad.

 

[LuisDantas]

Muslims suffering from prejudice is not an actual issue for you? Reminding people about that seems pointless to you?

Oh, it is very much a serious issue.

But to effectively deal with it there must be credibility. And to establish that credibility we can not afford to gloss over the self-inflicted harm of Islaam and Muslims.

It is not to anyone's favor to attempt to pretend that Islaamic doctrine does not empower extremism and murder.

 

[Jim]

Muslims suffering from prejudice is not an actual issue for you? Reminding people about that seems pointless to you?

Oh, it is very much a serious issue.

But to effectively deal with it there must be credibility.

I do see a credibility problem with apologetics, allegations of racism, and other defensive reactions to animosities against Muslims, but credibility for what? What needs to be credible, to be effective in dealing with prejudices against Muslims? What will that credibility enable us to do, to help reduce prejudices and counteract their effects, that we can't do now?.

It is not to anyone's favor to attempt to pretend that Islaamic doctrine does not empower extremism and murder.

So one issue that needs to be addressed is that Islamic doctrine empowers extremism and murder? I'll add that to my list in the other thread.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I've thought for a long time that exposing the fallacies in anti-Muslim propaganda is worse than useless, but now I might have seen some examples of where that might have done some good. Maybe it can do some good if it's done in the right spirit. One way I've thought of to help free people from anti'Muslim prejudices might be to help diversify their images of Muslims, but I haven't found any practical ways of doing that. I had some ideas that I tried on Facebook, but it took an enormous amount of searching on the Internet, and I couldn't keep it up. One way I've thought of to help counteract the effects of anti-Muslim prejudice is be a friend to some Muslims. Does anyone have any other ideas about how to help free people from anti-Muslim prejudices, and counteract their effects? Or maybe it isn't as big a problem as it sometimes appears to me to be in Internet discussions and media stories, and not even worth any attention.

My first question is, have you read the Muslims Qu'ran at all.
How can anyone trust Muslims seeing how their Prophet Muhammad in their Qu'ran promotes lying and deceiving.
So with that, how is anyone to trust Muslims.
Care to explain that?

According to the Qur'an, Allah is the "best of deceivers" (3:54; 8:30). The phrase is often translated into English as "best of planners," "best of schemers," or "best of plotters," but the root word (makr) means "deception." Hence, the following Qur'an verses should be rendered as follows:

Qur'an 3:54—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

So by all of this, it's not hard to see that Muslims shall also follow their Prophet Muhammad and Allah in deceving people.

So how exactly is people to trust Muslims

 

[LuisDantas]

I do see a credibility problem with apologetics, allegations of racism, and other defensive reactions to animosities against Muslims, but credibility for what? What needs to be credible, to be effective in dealing with prejudices against Muslims? What will that credibility enable us to do, to help reduce prejudices and counteract their effects, that we can't do now?.

If we want people to extend any significant measure of attention, respect and/or support towards a cause, we must take care to ensure that the cause is not fraudulent and that any sympathy that it receives will not backfire once better information becomes available.

There is a very real need to support Muslim victims of Muslim groups such as ISIS; Muslim immigrants in European countries; and even victims of hatred against Muslims. But that need is sabotaged by the very discourse that is often used in order to gather sympathy towards them. Attempts at claiming that ISIS are not "true Muslims" or that it is only coincidence that so many terrorists claim to be acting on behalf of Allah's glory can only go so far, and ultimately hurt the efforts.

So one issue that needs to be addressed is that Islamic doctrine empowers extremism and murder? I'll add that to my list in the other thread.

Unfortunately, it does indeed. A huge percentage of the Qur'an is dedicated towards painstakingly indicating how different Muslims should treat each other as opposed to non-Muslims. Another emphasizes how untrustworthy those who had the chance to become Muslims yet chose not to are.

And virtually nowhere except in the very tired verse 2:256 of the Qur'an there is even a token attempt at pointing out that (pseudo-) religious certainty is no excuse for being violent with other people.