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Vaccinations and Religious Exemptions

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No Slack
Oh, I understand it all too well. That's why I have a problem with it.

The fact that you refuse to answer the question speaks volumes, I think.

I think they both are mutilation but only circumcision has health benefits.

FGM has no health benefits for girls and women.

Female genital mutilation

Medical male circumcision reduces the risk of female-to-male sexual transmission of HIV by approximately 60%. Other benifits are improved penile hygiene or reduced risk of other infections.

WHO | Voluntary medical male circumcision for HIV prevention
 

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
Staff member
Premium Member
And 1980 was right at 40 years ago. Things have changed.
Obviously. Clearly I have not reviewed the market in some time. I have fixed that. Though, back 40 years ago, I bet the anti-vaccine/anti-science crowd would have made the same fallacious claim.

The point that vague claims that something is rotten,but without evidence of that something, except big companies are bad, because they make lots of money, are meaningless. It has no value in a determination of vaccine quality. There is no evidence of wrongdoing provided or a connection of wrongdoing and some issue with vaccine quality offered as support. It is an emotional plea with weak, off-point substance and guilt by association. Big companies make lots of money and are bad. Vaccines are made by these evil big companies. Therefore, vaccines are bad.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
19 shots before the age of 1.
36-38 shots by the age of the age of 12. Now I ask that you to provide a country that beats that. I know you won't and can't but I still have to ask.

Birth:
-the first of 3 doses of the vaccine that protects against Hepatitis B.

1 to 2 months:
-Hepatitis B (2nd dose)
-Diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough (pertussis) (DTaP)
-Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
-Polio (IPV)
-Pneumococcal (PCV)
-Rotavirus (RV)

4 months:
-Diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough (pertussis) (DTaP)
-Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
-Polio (IPV)
-Pneumococcal (PCV)
-Rotavirus (RV)
-Hepatitis B (HepB)

6 months:
-Diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough (pertussis) (DTaP)
-Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
-Polio (IPV)
-Pneumococcal (PCV)
-Rotavirus (RV)
-Influenza (flu)

12 to 23 months:
-Chickenpox (Varicella)
-Diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough (pertussis) (DTaP)
-Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
-Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)
-Polio (IPV) (between 6 through 18 months)
-Pneumococcal (PCV)
-Hepatitis A (HepA)
-Hepatitis B (HepB)

4 to 6 years:
-Diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough (pertussis) (DTaP)
-Polio (IPV)
-Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)
-Chickenpox (varicella)
-Influenza (flu) every year

11 to 12 years:
-Meningococcal conjugate vaccine
-HPV vaccine
-Tdap
-Flu vaccine every flu season

Recommended Vaccines by Age | CDC
So which of those diseases do you think children should have?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
You are wrong. Such has been happening for thousands of years.
To enter into a covenant - i.e. a binding agreement - a person must (among other things):

- intend to enter into a binding agreement
- understand what the agreement entails
- accept the obligations of the agreement
- actually agree to the agreement

Please explain how you think an eight-day-old baby can do any of these things.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It’s part of our covenant with God. You cannot divorce culture from religion.
So then we're back to the question, why are people from your tribe born with foreskins that require removal in the first place then? God can't create babies without them, so that it would be obvious at birth who is and is not a member of the tribe?

None of it makes any sense. I submit that is because humans made it all up to meet their own personal agendas.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
To enter into a covenant - i.e. a binding agreement - a person must (among other things):

- intend to enter into a binding agreement
- understand what the agreement entails
- accept the obligations of the agreement
- actually agree to the agreement

Please explain how you think an eight-day-old baby can do any of these things.
In many cultures, children are entered into covenants. For example, marriages are arranges when children are very young (although such marraiges do not take place until after puberty).

You conditions above are simply another example of you imposing western values on other cultures. Such imperialism.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
So then we're back to the question, why are people from your tribe born with foreskins that require removal in the first place then? God can't create babies without them, so that it would be obvious at birth who is and is not a member of the tribe?

None of it makes any sense. I submit that is because humans made it all up to meet their own personal agendas.
God created the process of evolution, which works very nicely. Not only did evolution create the foreskins which are fine for 99.98% of male babies, but it also gave rise to CULTURE, which takes care of the 0.02% of male babies where it isn't fine.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
In many cultures, children are entered into covenants. For example, marriages are arranges when children are very young (although such marraiges do not take place until after puberty).

You conditions above are simply another example of you imposing western values on other cultures. Such imperialism.
And I say that you're imposing your values on babies and children who are too young to truly understand and consent to them. The arranged marriage thing really brings that message home.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
God created the process of evolution, which works very nicely. Not only did evolution create the foreskins which are fine for 99.98% of male babies, but it also gave rise to CULTURE, which takes care of the 0.02% of male babies where it isn't fine.
Why does "he" create foreskins for babies who aren't supposed to have foreskins?? Why does "he" require human beings to carry out such monumentally important tasks?

I submit that it doesn't make any sense.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I don't think they should have any of those. That post was in reply to me being asked to support my claim of the U.S. giving mores vacs than any other country.
... in order to prevent more diseases. If you took some out, this would make kids more vulnerable to the respective diseases.

So which diseases do you think kids should be more vulnerable to?
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
And I say that you're imposing your values on babies and children who are too young to truly understand and consent to them. The arranged marriage thing really brings that message home.
My friend, parents ALWAYS impose their values on their children. That's what parents are supposed to do. It's part of child rearing. Even those parents who decide not to, in a thousand ways that they are not aware of, they still impose their values on their children.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Why does "he" create foreskins for babies who aren't supposed to have foreskins?? Why does "he" require human beings to carry out such monumentally important tasks?

I submit that it doesn't make any sense.
I just answered the question. Go back and read it again.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
My friend, parents ALWAYS impose their values on their children. That's what parents are supposed to do. It's part of child rearing. Even those parents who decide not to, in a thousand ways that they are not aware of, they still impose their values on their children.
This goes beyond teaching values to one's children, as everybody does. You're altering the bodies of babies who have no ability to grasp the concept of religion and you're doing it without their consent.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
This goes beyond teaching values to one's children, as everybody does. You're altering the bodies of babies who have no ability to grasp the concept of religion and you're doing it without their consent.
As do Mexican who pierce their baby girls' ears. Many folks object to that also. I say, stay out of it. You are being imperialistic and athropocentric.
 
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