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[Salvador]

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So, Why?

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Your question involves 2 major schisms in Christian theology: literal Hell vs metaphoric Hell and Good Works vs Faith.

 

[Thief]

Quite the interesting religious paradox isn't it? Earth's indigenous cultures apparently have this innocent ignorance when it comes to the evangelization from members of the Abrahamic traditions. They see these cultures ignorant of the "true faith" because they've never picked up a Bible or a Qur'an so to save them from their ignorant innocence they tell them thereby making them accountable when they didn't have to be before.

should they be given the red pill?....or the blue one?

 

[MJFlores]

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Here's how I see it breaking down:

It's unethical to hold people liable for not knowing things they have no reason to know.

Therefore, an ethical god would not send such a person to hell for being ignorant of god's sin/salvation program.

Also, if a person is not convinced a thing is true it would be because no one has presented a convincing case for it, which wouldn't be his fault. In which case the responsibility lies with others, and he shouldn't be held responsible for their failure.

Therefore, an ethical god wouldn't send such a person to hell for being unconvinced of his sin/salvation program.​

So, the only people in true jeopardy of being sent to hell are those who buy into the sin/salvation program but don't measure up.

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We do have a saying that Ignorantia juris non excusat - Wikipedia

Ignorantia juris non excusat[1] or ignorantia legis neminem excusat[2] (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not"[1] and "ignorance of law excuses no one"[2] respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its content.

Further, I believe the hypothetical Eskimo have a conscience and very sane - knowing what is right and wrong - at least that is my presumption. Then such people will be judge by God based on his conscience. But the thing is who has a clear conscience? Who can say the Eskimo, in the vast arctic wilderness never ever committed a fault, just a tiny bit of a crime towards his fellow man? What ever it is, the Eskimo has the conscience and in the final judgement would either defend him or convict him.

Being good isn't enough.
Following the golden rule isn't enough.
Man, by himself is not righteous and sinned.
Man, by himself is condemned.

 

[Skwim]

Regardless whether the Eskimo knows about God or Sin, the Eskimo will be judged by God.Romans 2:14

Think the ignorant Eskimo will be judged by the same standard god judges Christians?

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[Skwim]

We do have a saying that Ignorantia juris non excusat - Wikipedia

Ignorantia juris non excusat[1] or ignorantia legis neminem excusat[2] (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not"[1] and "ignorance of law excuses no one"[2] respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its content.

Think this is how god judges those who had no opportunity to know the law?

Further, I believe the hypothetical Eskimo have a conscience and very sane - knowing what is right and wrong - at least that is my presumption. Then such people will be judge by God based on his conscience. But the thing is who has a clear conscience? Who can say the Eskimo, in the vast arctic wilderness never ever committed a fault, just a tiny bit of a crime towards his fellow man? What ever it is, the Eskimo has the conscience and in the final judgement would either defend him or convict him.

I presume then that god wouldn't keep the good Eskimo from heaven because he never accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. Or would he?

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[Bob the Unbeliever]

I know the answer! i know, i know!

We told him for the same reason we tell others about other laws.

Its not told to punish, its told to create order.

Also, its not knowing about God that counts, its knowing and obeying the golden rule.

The Inuits already knew the golden rule-- and their culture did a far better job obeying it than any christian based one you care to name...

So there's that.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I believe it's better for a person to be converted in this life than the next. .

So.... reincarnation, then?

They have more earth-life responsibility and they feel better about being better. .

False, and ... false.

That is why we preach.

To make people feel worse about the life they lead? Congratulations!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Regardless whether the Eskimo knows about God or Sin, the Eskimo will be judged by God.Romans 2:14
The same is true for the priest. 2 Peter 2:1
The same is true for the atheists, the theists, the aboriginals, and so forth. Romans 2:15

Romans 2:16

Which is why the entire religion is immoral and evil.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Being good isn't enough.
Following the golden rule isn't enough.
Man, by himself is not righteous and sinned.
Man, by himself is condemned.

So. You believe your god deliberately created a being not good enough? To what end? To torture most of them forever?

 

[MJFlores]

Think the ignorant Eskimo will be judged by the same standard god judges Christians?

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I think God will judge the learned and the ignorant, the sane and insane, those with conscience and those without - fairly. Romans 3:5-7

With regards to the Christians [those of the first century church and those in the last days] the Lord Jesus Christ is very clear John 5:24

With regards to the Christians [those under the Mystery Babylon and her harlots] the judgement is also pronounced Revelation 21:8

Romans 2:16

 

[MJFlores]

Think this is how god judges those who had no opportunity to know the law?


I presume then that god wouldn't keep the good Eskimo from heaven because he never accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. Or would he?

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The law in his heart is his conscience.
Conscience exist in us all
Whether you are an atheist or a theist - you have that in you.
That would be God's basis in examining his life story
That feeling of guilt or feeling of innocence

Accepting Jesus Christ as his personal lord and savior isn't enough
JC is not a gadget that you could keep on your pocket
What Jesus Christ said is what his Father told him to say
And such that is the way

I believe all men are faulty one way or another
I believe all people are not worthy to be in heaven
I believe everybody fell short in God's sight
Romans 3:23

So what should the Eskimo must do in order to be saved when Judgement Day comes?
Matthew 7:13-14

 

[MJFlores]

Which is why the entire religion is immoral and evil.

Man with the false religion is immoral and evil. James 1:27

So. You believe your god deliberately created a being not good enough? To what end? To torture most of them forever?

We are what we make ourselves. It is entirely our choosing. 1 John 3:10

 

[Skwim]

So what should the Eskimo must do in order to be saved when Judgement Day comes?
Matthew 7:13-14

So, what should/must the Eskimo do? You got me. Skin a seal? He sure wouldn't be aware of any Christian solution, so that's out. Maybe skin another seal or scale a fish?

What do you think he should do?

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[Bob the Unbeliever]

Man with the false religion is immoral and evil. James 1:27
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Well. Since they are all demonstratively false? That makes all humans evil? Ooops!

We are what we make ourselves. It is entirely our choosing. 1 John 3:10

Indeed. This is because there are no actual, provable gods. None. Zip. Nada. Not a one.

And you can keep referencing the immoral bible all you like--it isn't helping your case. Just the opposite, in fact...

 

[lewisnotmiller]

If they aren't relevant to other Abrahamic religions.

Wow. That is an unusual stance.
There are 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide. And you think their decisions are insubstantial?

 

[MJFlores]

So, what should/must the Eskimo do? You got me. Skin a seal? He sure wouldn't be aware of any Christian solution, so that's out. Maybe skin another seal or scale a fish?

What do you think he should do?

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Even if he skin a thousand walruses or ride an orca, that wouldn't help.
Even if he builds a palace sized igloo, he achieved nothing.

Please refer to Matthew 7:13
since I am prohibited to quote a religious message in this religious forum
I intend to comply with house rules

 

[Remté]

Wow. That is an unusual stance.
There are 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide. And you think their decisions are insubstantial?

If they are not relevant to other Abrahamic religions.

 

[MJFlores]

Well. Since they are all demonstratively false? That makes all humans evil? Ooops!

Declaring a religion false must not be based on the whims and caprices of one who is irreligious.
Declaring a religion false should have a sound basis and a set of religious standards
Other than that how can one say this religion is false and this one is true?

Indeed. This is because there are no actual, provable gods. None. Zip. Nada. Not a one.

And you can keep referencing the immoral bible all you like--it isn't helping your case. Just the opposite, in fact...

Actually the scientist say we and the universe shouldn't exist but strange, we are here. Universe shouldn’t exist, CERN physicists conclude | Cosmos

Romans 1:18-20

Going back to Mr. Eskimo, he wouldn't have an excuse. Because if he did, it would be the same excuse that will be used by Mr. Bushman or Mr. Maori or Mr. Mongol

Everybody will face the music, whether you believe or not - it doesn't matter:

Hebrews 9:27

 

[syo]

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So, Why?

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That's not how christianity works. This is wrong understanding of christianity. When criminals want to exploit christianity, this dialogue occures.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Take away the priest and it could be any other Abrahamic religion. If it needs to be limited to Christianity to be evaluated then it is useless from a spiritual point of view.

Why would I take away the priest? It's not my OP.