Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
So, Why?
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Your question involves 2 major schisms in Christian theology: literal Hell vs metaphoric Hell and Good Works vs Faith.
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So, Why?
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should they be given the red pill?....or the blue one?Quite the interesting religious paradox isn't it? Earth's indigenous cultures apparently have this innocent ignorance when it comes to the evangelization from members of the Abrahamic traditions. They see these cultures ignorant of the "true faith" because they've never picked up a Bible or a Qur'an so to save them from their ignorant innocence they tell them thereby making them accountable when they didn't have to be before.
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Here's how I see it breaking down:
It's unethical to hold people liable for not knowing things they have no reason to know.
Therefore, an ethical god would not send such a person to hell for being ignorant of god's sin/salvation program.
Also, if a person is not convinced a thing is true it would be because no one has presented a convincing case for it, which wouldn't be his fault. In which case the responsibility lies with others, and he shouldn't be held responsible for their failure.
Therefore, an ethical god wouldn't send such a person to hell for being unconvinced of his sin/salvation program.
So, the only people in true jeopardy of being sent to hell are those who buy into the sin/salvation program but don't measure up.
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Think the ignorant Eskimo will be judged by the same standard god judges Christians?Regardless whether the Eskimo knows about God or Sin, the Eskimo will be judged by God.Romans 2:14
Think this is how god judges those who had no opportunity to know the law?We do have a saying that Ignorantia juris non excusat - Wikipedia
Ignorantia juris non excusat[1] or ignorantia legis neminem excusat[2] (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not"[1] and "ignorance of law excuses no one"[2] respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its content.
I presume then that god wouldn't keep the good Eskimo from heaven because he never accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. Or would he?Further, I believe the hypothetical Eskimo have a conscience and very sane - knowing what is right and wrong - at least that is my presumption. Then such people will be judge by God based on his conscience. But the thing is who has a clear conscience? Who can say the Eskimo, in the vast arctic wilderness never ever committed a fault, just a tiny bit of a crime towards his fellow man? What ever it is, the Eskimo has the conscience and in the final judgement would either defend him or convict him.
I know the answer! i know, i know!
We told him for the same reason we tell others about other laws.
Its not told to punish, its told to create order.
Also, its not knowing about God that counts, its knowing and obeying the golden rule.
I believe it's better for a person to be converted in this life than the next. .
They have more earth-life responsibility and they feel better about being better. .
That is why we preach.
Regardless whether the Eskimo knows about God or Sin, the Eskimo will be judged by God.Romans 2:14
The same is true for the priest. 2 Peter 2:1
The same is true for the atheists, the theists, the aboriginals, and so forth. Romans 2:15
Romans 2:16
Being good isn't enough.
Following the golden rule isn't enough.
Man, by himself is not righteous and sinned.
Man, by himself is condemned.
Think the ignorant Eskimo will be judged by the same standard god judges Christians?
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Think this is how god judges those who had no opportunity to know the law?
I presume then that god wouldn't keep the good Eskimo from heaven because he never accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. Or would he?
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Which is why the entire religion is immoral and evil.
So. You believe your god deliberately created a being not good enough? To what end? To torture most of them forever?
So, what should/must the Eskimo do? You got me. Skin a seal? He sure wouldn't be aware of any Christian solution, so that's out. Maybe skin another seal or scale a fish?So what should the Eskimo must do in order to be saved when Judgement Day comes?
Matthew 7:13-14
Man with the false religion is immoral and evil. James 1:27
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We are what we make ourselves. It is entirely our choosing. 1 John 3:10
If they aren't relevant to other Abrahamic religions.
So, what should/must the Eskimo do? You got me. Skin a seal? He sure wouldn't be aware of any Christian solution, so that's out. Maybe skin another seal or scale a fish?
What do you think he should do?
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If they are not relevant to other Abrahamic religions.Wow. That is an unusual stance.
There are 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide. And you think their decisions are insubstantial?
Well. Since they are all demonstratively false? That makes all humans evil? Ooops!
Indeed. This is because there are no actual, provable gods. None. Zip. Nada. Not a one.
And you can keep referencing the immoral bible all you like--it isn't helping your case. Just the opposite, in fact...
That's not how christianity works. This is wrong understanding of christianity. When criminals want to exploit christianity, this dialogue occures.So, Why?
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Take away the priest and it could be any other Abrahamic religion. If it needs to be limited to Christianity to be evaluated then it is useless from a spiritual point of view.