About religion

[Unveiled Artist]

I have seen many who ask, is God real? Does God exist? Religion right or wrong?

And those who do believe in a God or a Buddha does their best to explain. And those who do not believe try to find a way to disprove God ( and that is ofcourse fine )

But just for the sake of a discussion.

If those who are believers must give a Proof about God or the religion to be true.
Can we ask those who does not believe about roof that God does not exist?

Ofcourse i respect those who not believe but sometimes i do get curious to their Proof of non existence.

The reason why I say god (abrahamic) does not exist because the definition of that god has changed so much that today we have lost the actual meaning of deities and the mythology that shaped the deities we have today.

It is like todays religion decide to change what type of gods people originally believed in to suit the modern and abstract nature of belief. In other words, they made what was literal and mythological to abstract and "spiritual". People actually did believe that the gods did this or that. They actually practiced that or this. Nowadays, we don't believe people part the red sea. The development of how we view god is black and white and to believe any deities existed today as they did yesterday is pretty far fetched.

Another thing is the definition of god reflect the time. A universal god would not reflect the time. There is nothing wrong with mythology and using it to further one's spiritual life. The deity view of god gets mixed up when believers try to prove it real.
Also, I have been in The Roman Catholic Church for five years of 2012 and no longer go. God is miscued from protestants as in Catholicism, behind the terminology, god is an experience: god is the actual source that brings together communion of people. God is the love between which that catholic experiences blessings from saints and Eucharist. God is that rush you get when you come from Mass. It isn't a deity.

When you listen to describes of the Pagan gods, Hindu, and things of that nature, abrahamic god is not special. I believe god does not exist because if you take away the people, what do you have left?

Also, another thing about god existence. This one is the HUGE reason I disagree with the existence of god. We are not the only planet in the universe. That being said, if god created the universe, why in the world would he just pick our planet over thousands possible ones. The human mind and ego (yes Im being blunt) and politics is astounding in regards to the christian god.

If christians understand god as a definition and reflection of history and societies concept of god throughout time, it would make more sense to me. I'd probably wouldnt identify as an atheist because god as a cultural medium to understand life, I totally believe in.

But make god a deity who can Do things and Act in this way, that throws me off.

I'm glad I was Catholic to experience god because protestant view, it's always shaping and changing. And in all views, I would not say god exists because we are not special in regards to the universe.

Politics is really something.

A note on Hinduism and probably some Paganisms. If I believed in god, I'd probably be more included in any fashion to believe in these. The pantheism (for lack of better words), pathenism, and actually accepting gods as part of one's culture and dependent on it makes more sense. It makes practice worthwhile and being an ex-catholic I understand the importance and experience of ritual within god that no deity that is not apart of god at all would never make sense to me and never would I believe.

I know this is a rant. I just see god/deity as defined and lived product and shaping of one's culture. I don't believe in deities. God is a product of culture.

The reason I see it false is without culture to define god, it wouldn't exist. Existence of something isn't dependent on people and culture. I've never met any abrahamic believer that defined god apart from culture and history. No matter what that person says, it always goes back to culture and history. No one can be an atheist to how history shapes the definition of god.

God as a deity does not exist because it is a product of culture and history not an isolated being unto itself. I've not met anyone who has proven deities exist apart from culture. That, I am fine with. It make

I have seen many who ask, is God real? Does God exist? Religion right or wrong?

And those who do believe in a God or a Buddha does their best to explain. And those who do not belive try to find a way to disprove God ( and that is ofcourse fine )

But just for the sake of a discussion.

If those who are believers must give a Proof about God or the religion to be true.
Can we ask those who does not believe about roof that God does not exist?

Ofcourse i respect those who not believe but sometimes i do get curious to their Proof of non existance.

God is a product of history and culture. Proof of god is there. Any other type of god, I wouldnt know what proof you're looking for.

 

[Spirit of Light]

There is an inherent asymetry there, @Amanaki

People have goals and motivations informed by what they believe to be real, not by what they disbelieve in.

The only reason why it may be difficult to notice that there is no reason to even attempt to disprove God (or for that matter, Buddha) is because theistic proselitism has become so widely accepted (not out of any merits of its own).

But still many try to disprove it. Rigth?

 

[Spirit of Light]

The reason why I say god (abrahamic) does not exist because the definition of that god has changed so much that today we have lost the actual meaning of deities and the mythology that shaped the deities we have today.
I know this is a rant. I just see god/deity as defined and lived product and shaping of one's culture. I don't believe in deities. God is a product of culture.

The reason I see it false is without culture to define god, it wouldn't exist. Existence of something isn't dependent on people and culture. I've never met any abrahamic believer that defined god apart from culture and history. No matter what that person says, it always goes back to culture and history. No one can be an atheist to how history shapes the definition of god.

God as a deity does not exist because it is a product of culture and history not an isolated being unto itself. I've not met anyone who has proven deities exist apart from culture. That, I am fine with. It make


God is a product of history and culture. Proof of god is there. Any other type of god, I wouldnt know what proof you're looking for.

Who created the culture and the people who live in the culture on earth? if it was not created by a higher form of life examle God or a Buddha. How could it possible be so many life-forms and different form of nature, if there is nothing, can nothing become something without someone/something have a form of creating it?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Ofcourse i care about the teaching being true, that is the reason i study it every day. to gain a deeper understanding and wisdom from it.

If you actually cared about your beliefs being true, you would have done the work to verify that they are true.

If you had verified that your beliefs are true, then you would be able to explain how you verified that they're true when asked.

The reason i have no doubt is because i see in my daily life that what is written in the scripture is actually happening in front of me and that the more i cultivate the teaching the more understanding of the spiritual (unseen) realms i gain.

Why would there be doubt of the scripture when i see what it say is actually giving me a bettter life

How does this express itself in anything verifiable?

 

[Spirit of Light]

If you actually cared about your beliefs being true, you would have done the work to verify that they are true.

If you had verified that your beliefs are true, then you would be able to explain how you verified that they're true when asked.


How does this express itself in anything verifiable?

The problem is that what i found deep within meditation about the teaching of Buddha can not be explained to those who have never exerienced similar because meditation is a personal experieance, belief is a personal part of the path. when one do understand the teaching there are no need for a physical evidence. it is only those who do not believe exept if they do not have a physical evidence that do need to physical to be able to say yes this is true.

 

[Dekrikos Augustine]

If those who are believers must give a Proof about God or the religion to be true.
Can we ask those who does not believe about roof that God does not exist?

Ofcourse i respect those who not believe but sometimes i do get curious to their Proof of non existance.

It's all about truth statements and belief statements, imo. People will often confuse them, perhaps even purposefully.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The problem is that what i found deep within meditation about the teaching of Buddha can not be explained to those who have never exerienced similar because meditation is a personal experieance, belief is a personal part of the path. when one do understand the teaching there are no need for a physical evidence. it is only those who do not believe exept if they do not have a physical evidence that do need to physical to be able to say yes this is true.

So then you understand why others don't believe as you do.

So why all the bitterness about non-believers in the OP?

 

[shivsomashekhar]

Why? a Beleif on something spiritual as God is a personal belief and why is it needed to prove that God exist to those who do not believe? I tried 20 years to explain my buddhist view, but when talking to non believers what happens is a million questions that is impossible to answer since there is no physical eveidence i can give, only a wisdom to the answer

You cannot prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the person who argues for the reality of a universal God. The other person does not have to prove a thing.

Of course, you do not have to prove anything to anyone. But this would mean that your God is real only to you and is not provable. In which case, it comes dangerously close to fantasy/hallucination.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So then you understand why others don't believe as you do.

So why all the bitterness about non-believers in the OP?

No bitterness toward anyone i was only asking why believers must prove that what they believe in is truth to them. and non believers can do as they please. but no hard feelings toward non believers

 

[Spirit of Light]

You cannot prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the person who argues for the reality of a universal God. The other person does not have to prove a thing.

Of course, you do not have to prove anything to anyone. But this would mean that your God is real only to you and is not provable. In which case, it comes dangerously close to fantasy/hallucination.

If what you say is right why do non believers ask for proof from those who believe then? can we not agree that we are not agree about the question if there is a god/buddha and then live happy together? Because i do not want to have heated discussion with non believrs, i want to live happy with all human beings

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No bitterness toward anyone i was only asking why believers must prove that what they believe in is truth to them. and non believers can do as they please. but no hard feelings toward non believers

Again: it's not a matter of proof.

Which approach do you take when you're confronted with a new claim:

- wait until you have good reason to accept it before accepting it as true?

- automatically accept it as true until you have good reason to reject it as false?

Most atheists are just taking the first approach... and it's a reasonable approach.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Again: it's not a matter of proof.

Which approach do you take when you're confronted with a new claim:

- wait until you have good reason to accept it before accepting it as true?

- automatically accept it as true until you have good reason to reject it as false?

Most atheists are just taking the first approach... and it's a reasonable approach.

I do research in to the topic, then if i am unsure i will try to find someone who explain it in a good way.
In buddhism i often ask monks about topics i want to understand deeper, butalso meditate on the topic

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

The God hypotheses is a information wave. Conciousness, infinite, eternal, intelligence, static energy.

What is this supposed to mean? My bet is that you have no idea, and my belief is that it means absolutely nothing.

"Hypothses" is plural, by the way - so "is a information wave" is incorrect - even ignoring the fact that you should have used "an", not "a". It would be "are an information wave", or "are information waves." I might have suggested that you reword to "The God hypothesis is," but let's face it... there are a great many hypotheses - so the plural "hypotheses" is indeed correct.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I do research in to the topic, then if i am unsure i will try to find someone who explain it in a good way.

I'm not sure I worded things properly. What I was trying to get at was whether your default approach is to accept a claim when you hear it or to reserve judgement.

 

[crossfire]

My transtheistic take:

• A sentient being is a being which possesses their own subjective mind where they process their sensory information, abstractions, and thought processes. Without a subjective mind, there is no sentience.
• Mistaking something from the subjective mind for something objective is called delusion. (For instance, if you see a rope, and it subjectively reminds you of a snake, and you believe it is objectively a snake is mistaking the subjective for the objective--a delusion.)
• Therefore, all sentient beings, possessing a subjective mind, are vulnerable to delusion. (This is my version of Original Sin.)
  
• However, sentient beings are also capable of waking up to the fact that they are subject to delusion, and can take measures to minimize delusion. Sentience is precious, therefore, all sentient beings are worthy of compassion, due to the fact that they can awaken to the vulnerability to delusion.
• If such a sentient being exists that can be referred to as god, then that sentient being would also be subject to delusion and worthy of compassion. I don't find worship to be compassionate, as it can propagate delusion. (Imagine you are a deity, with millions of voices in your head singing your praises or asking for a boon. This is not necessarily conducive of dispelling delusion, so worship is not compassionate.)

So, to summarize my take: sentient beings are without number, are capable of delusion, and are worthy of compassion.

 

[Jollybear]

What is this supposed to mean? My bet is that you have no idea, and my belief is that it means absolutely nothing.

Why did you ask me for clearification if you already think i dont understand what i believe?

"Hypothses" is plural, by the way - so "is a information wave" is incorrect - even ignoring the fact that you should have used "an", not "a". It would be "are an information wave", or "are information waves." I might have suggested that you reword to "The God hypothesis is," but let's face it... there are a great many hypotheses - so the plural "hypotheses" is indeed correct.

Ok, if you say so. Ill stick to how i wrote it though, since its coming from me, not you.

But, all that said, let me tell you what i MEAN now.

Theres three hypotheses of the universe

1: God created the universe
2: the universe was always here
3: universe came from nothing, chance and time.

Many rehashes of these three, but, only 3.

The problems with the 2nd and third are this: if the universe was always here, then all events would have infinite regression. This means that all events would take forever to happen. If all events took forever, then nothing would happen because it take forever. Thats logic.

If the universe came from nothing and chance and time, then the universe would not come at all. Why? Because from nothing, nothing comes. Also, chance dont create order and design, it creates chaos.

The God hypotheses works because in this you have conciousness, intelligence, infinite, eternal energy.

If theres no God, how would time get created? In other words, without God, WHEN would the universe get made? God is outside time as you see.

Also, God is outside space, hes infinite. Without space, WHERE would you make the universe? You see?

Also, God is outside matter. This means God is not the universe itself.

With God you dont have the problem of infinite regression because God is static energy. And since God has conscious intelligence or information, then he creates time. Time has to get created to buffer the infinite regression problem.

Also, God is SOMETHING, verses the other scenario of "nothing" creating something.

Also since God is intelligence, this accounts for the obvious order and design we see in the universe. Chance does not do that. So, a God easily takes care of the chaos problem from chance.

There, THATS what i meant.

So, you wer wrong. Dont assume, aspeasally if your gonna ask. Dont ask if your gonna assume. If you ask, expect an answer from this guy.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'm not sure I worded things properly. What I was trying to get at was whether your default approach is to accept a claim when you hear it or to reserve judgement.

i do not accept blindly all i hear or read no

 

[Salvador]

Salvador's God is our cosmic ancestor/cosmic ancestors whose extraterrestrial intelligence has left its/their mark in our genetic code ....as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

Salvador's God is the proven inventor of our genetic code as evident in the "WOW! Signal of the Terrestrial Genetic Code" that scientists discovered back in 2012.

The significance of the numeric or semantic message 037 embedded in our genetic code is well-explained as follows:

Information is an innate attribute of something conveyed by patterns/sequential order to something which processes the conveyance of patterns/sequential order into meaningful data. We creatures using a base-10 numbering system would best understand a mathematical message that's been broadcast to us in the language of a base-10 numbering system.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.

The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure.

Reference: Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209
"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing

Because of the compelling evidence for Salvador's God, there's good reason to believe in this cosmic ancestor(s) of extraterrestrial intelligence who invented our genetic code where the semantic message of 037 is embedded by Salvador's God who is everybody's cosmic ancestor.

Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge everybody who's interested in our cosmic ancestry, then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Who created the culture and the people who live in the culture on earth? if it was not created by a higher form of life examle God or a Buddha. How could it possible be so many life-forms and different form of nature, if there is nothing, can nothing become something without someone/something have a form of creating it?

Culture makes up the practices, social, religious, and economical involvement and growth of groups of people throughout the ages. Cultures develop and change and shape itself depending on the people and time period. Some cultures who believed in gods did not see gods as a higher form. I was in art history early this year and I learned about how the Greeks or Romans didn't see their gods as higher but rather as the same level but different status such as living for eternity. A lot of times they made people who passed away and have high standing gods.

As for believing there has to be a higher form or creator just because we don't know the origin of our existence, if there is one, I don't see the connection. It's a mystery (I guess) where we came from but how does being a mystery validate there must be a creator or higher being behind this mystery?

 

[Jollybear]

Salvador's God is our cosmic ancestor/cosmic ancestors whose extraterrestrial intelligence has left its/their mark in our genetic code ....as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

Salvador's God is the proven inventor of our genetic code as evident in the "WOW! Signal of the Terrestrial Genetic Code" that scientists discovered back in 2012.

The significance of the numeric or semantic message 037 embedded in our genetic code is well-explained as follows:

Information is an innate attribute of something conveyed by patterns/sequential order to something which processes the conveyance of patterns/sequential order into meaningful data. We creatures using a base-10 numbering system would best understand a mathematical message that's been broadcast to us in the language of a base-10 numbering system.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.

The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure.

Reference: Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209
"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing

Because of the compelling evidence for Salvador's God, there's good reason to believe in this cosmic ancestor(s) of extraterrestrial intelligence who invented our genetic code where the semantic message of 037 is embedded by Salvador's God who is everybody's cosmic ancestor.

Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge everybody who's interested in our cosmic ancestry, then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

Your view is interesting. The bible says the "elohim" came down and made man from mud. The elohim referes to "the gods" or "rulers" or "angels" and even "supreme God".

But, the conotations are alien or extra terrestrial.

I think the supreme God gave the blueprints to the "rulers" to make man on earth.

Interestingly, the discoverer of the DNA believed aliens seeded the planet.