Questions...

[Jos]

You ask good questions.... Sorry, I don't mean to make these posts so long, but there is so much to address....

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, I appreciate it

This is easy to explain....who was the one who twisted God's words right from the beginning? It wasn't that God's word was in error but it was the spin put on them, like the devil's words to Eve, he used the words God said but put a different slant on them

Why doesn't God unambiguously show us which interpretation is correct then?

prove that satan is the one who should direct mankind.

Why do you say Satan should rule mankind?

satan never challenged God's power....he challenged his sovereign right to set reasonable limits to the use of free will. So

Why would be anyone be dumb as to challenge an omnipotent deity? It's hard to believe that anyone's that dumb...

Wisely, God allowed them all the time in the world to see for themselves where the misuse of free will, and following the devil's direction would take them, whilst he stepped out of the picture to allow humankind to 'reap what they had sown'.

Couldn't He have shown Adam and Eve exactly what the world would look like before they had eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? I'm sure if He'd shown them how messed up the world would be they wouldn't have sinned...

The devil's power is restricted as is shown with the trials of Job. If you read the first 2 chapters of Job you will see that the devil challenged Job's faith and the basis for it.

Isn't it kinda messed up though that God gave him the power to mess up Job's life like that knowing that Job would pass the test? Would God like it if He were human and His creator allowed someone evil to mess up His life like that?

Why could God allow this awful test? Because he knew he could reverse the whole thing and even erase the painful memory of it. Job believed in the resurrection, (i.e. the Jewish expectation in a physical resurrection) so at his death, he would have looked forward to a time when his whole family would again be reunited in "the new earth"

I thought Jews in the Old Testament believed that you slept after you died and there was no resurrection? The book of Ecclesiasties is a good example of that. Also Job's memory wasn't erased and God didn't bring his other children back to life but just replaced them.

(Pleas understand that the creative "days" were not 24 hour periods)

How long were they?

his firstborn son,

Do you mean firstborn as in born of a woman?

With the creation of lower beings with intelligence but limited power, one ambitious spirit creature saw his opportunity to be something he could never have been otherwise. He entertained wrong thoughts (James 1:13-15) and because he was placed as a guardian in the garden, he observed everything and knew exactly when to strike. He abused a position of trust and his free will.

Why would God placing him there knowing He wasn't trustworthy? Why not place a trustworthy angel there?

That is an important topic all by itself. The Bible does not teach a trinity....it never did.

Really? What does it teach?

he wants humans to see that if they don't worship the true God, they are by default, giving praise and worship to a pretender....a fake god...an unworthy phony.

But if God already knows He's worthy and amazing, then why get offended if He doesn't receive praise? His self approval should be good enough shouldn't it? Why care if worthless, fallible mortals don't worship you?

I guess that means being asleep at some times when the other is awake.....Oh well..

I don't mind, I enjoy our discussion.

 

[Deeje]

OK...just playing catch-up....

I think it means you'll inevitably perish

Being mortal means you can die, but it doesn't mean you have to. There was no natural cause of death ever mentioned to Adam and his wife. The only way to die was to disobey the only negative command that the humans had.

Have you never noticed that there were only three commands ever given to the humans? Only one was negative and the other two were positive.

1) God said, don't eat the fruit that belongs to me or you will die. He had given them every other fruit in the garden, so no hardship was imposed by this reasonable restriction. It was a small test of their respect for their Creator as their ruler and appreciation for his property, and the bounty he had already given them.

2) The positive commands were connected....."fill the earth and subdue it".....have lots of children, build up your workforce and transform the rest of this planet into something like the garden of Eden.

That was it. No lengthy set of laws, no religion to create division, no reason for fighting over territory that all belonged to God anyway, and the enjoyment of good physical work, with satisfying results that humans were designed for. Everlasting life was given to accomplish all that and no death meant that there would never be grieving.
There was no reason to get sick or to succumb to the ravages of old age, because the tree of live guaranteed that it would never happen.

Earth was never meant to be training ground for heaven. If Adam and his wife had remained obedient, there would never have been a need for Jesus to fill the role of the savior and there would never have been a need for the Kingdom to take us back to the beginning. God always finishes what he starts, even if there is a detour. (Isaiah 55:11)

Do you know the difference between everlasting life and immortality? Most people think they mean the same thing, but they are completely different.

Yeah but why didn't He just nor create a tree of knowledge of good and evil if He didn't want them knowing good from evil?

It was a test to see if their free will would be compromised by disobeying their rightful Sovereign and stealing something that did not belong to them.

I don't know the exact scriptures but He said He and the Father are one and that if you've seen Him, you've seen the Father?

Jesus said a lot of things but he also said "the Father is greater than I am". (John 14:28)

John 1:1 calls Jesus "God" but does it call him "THE God" or just a "godlike one"? John 1:18 answers...."No man has seen God at any time. The only begotten god...has explained him". If no one has ever seen God, then how do you explain how many people saw Jesus?

How can God be in three different places at once...or why does one part of God need to pray to himself, or to know things the other parts don't?

Jesus called his Father "my God" when he was on earth, but he also called him "my God" when he returned to heaven. (Revelation 3:12) How is that possible? Does one part of God worship himself?

Once you start to take the trinity apart, you will see that it is a satanic lie. It forms the foundations of Christendom....but it is built on sand... that monumental edifice will collapse when the storm comes.

 

[Jos]

It makes sense to me as its part of the Torah, and the Torah is about the story of Israel's origin. It also seems to describe Israel, plus the things that happen in Genesis all relate to the Torah. The Torah comments about everything that happens in it. There are lots of indications of it. Above all Genesis refers to the actions of the LORD, but its plain that the LORD is part of a covenant called the Shema. Things in Genesis undergo anthropomorphic personification, such as the evil within Cain, which the LORD tells him is crouching at his own door and desiring to rule him. The LORD, too, speaks to Adam and Eve in the garden. When was the last time the US Constitution had a conversation with you? Its a similar event.

Could you explain further and go more in depth?

I think God analogous to Math, something which we ponder and discover but cannot fully comprehend.

OK but do you think Jesus is Divine?

What text are you referring to? Are you assuming it says that or is it an actual statement? Lets look at it.

Jeremiah 31:9, Deuteronomy 7 among many other scriptures

 

[Jos]

Do you know the difference between everlasting life and immortality? Most people think they mean the same thing, but they are completely different.

What's the difference?

How can God be in three different places at once...or why does one part of God need to pray to himself, or to know things the other parts don't?

I think trinitarians would say that humans are too limited in understanding to understand the Trinity.

That was it. No lengthy set of laws, no religion to create division, no reason for fighting over territory that all belonged to God anyway, and the enjoyment of good physical work, with satisfying results that humans were designed for. Everlasting life was given to accomplish all that and no death meant that there would never be grieving.
There was no reason to get sick or to succumb to the ravages of old age, because the tree of live guaranteed that it would never happen.

OK I understand.

 

[Jos]

Is that smile because I admitted my limitations or because you agree with me or is it something else?

 

[stvdv]

What exactly does he do nowadays?

What not?

 

[stvdv]

But God is omniperfect... wouldn't that include being in perfect control of Himself?

First time I see the word "OmniPerfect" .. sounds more "human" than "divine" description to me. Talking in "good and bad". I think God is above this

 

[Jos]

First time I see the word "OmniPerfect" .. sounds more "human" than "divine" description to me. Talking in "good and bad". I think God is above this

Is God perfect in every way possible?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Could you explain further and go more in depth?

I am reaching the limit of my interest in the subject and can only suggest further investigation.

OK but do you think Jesus is Divine?

What I think changes, and I think its Ok to have different interpretations. I also think the NT suggests having multiple interpretations. I think to the NT authors God is omnipresent at least in Christ's body if not everywhere but probably everywhere. The new testament writers say a couple of things about Jesus imperfection. They say he has had to learn obedience through suffering. The writer of Hebrews says he becomes perfect through death. I think there are different ways this could be explained.

Jeremiah 31:9, Deuteronomy 7 among many other scriptures

These are passages mentioning the LORD, aka the covenant. I thought you had found a passage that said they were God's chosen people. There is a huge time gap of thousands of years, and there is a language and cultural gap the size of a planet. I'm not sure that this says what you are thinking it says. I think what its saying is that these people in this time period are strongly urged to improve their behavior or it will come back to bite them.

 

[Deeje]

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, I appreciate it

This is such a welcome change from having to defend creation and God's existence....

Why doesn't God unambiguously show us which interpretation is correct then?

John 6:44 says that he does...but not to just anyone. He is looking for those who want to serve his interests and not just their own. We want to serve God out of love for him, not just for the reward. He can read hearts.

Why do you say Satan should rule mankind?

I never said he should...God has given rulership over to him so that he prove to others what a complete failure he is.

"So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time. 6 Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 If you, therefore, do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.” 8 In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” (Luke 4: 5-8)

The devil could not offer Jesus was what not his to give. He can give rulership over to anyone he pleases.

Why would be anyone be dumb as to challenge an omnipotent deity? It's hard to believe that anyone's that dumb...

That is why he never did it. He wasn't stupid, so he gave the humans a reason to doubt God's love, his motives and his integrity. He knew that God would have to prove himself rather than to simply destroy any rebel, just because he could. The whole situation was likened to a court case where a slanderer has made serious accusations against a defendant and witnesses are brought forth by each side to prove their case. Satan is the slanderer and God is the defendant....those who side with the devil are his witnesses....we who are faithful Christians are witnesses for the defense.

We already know how it ends and who wins.....but which side the witnesses choose determines their own future. The ruling in this case will set precedents for all eternity to come.....no rebel will ever be able to challenge God's Sovereignty again or accuse him of not allowing enough time for the witnesses to give their evidence.

Couldn't He have shown Adam and Eve exactly what the world would look like before they had eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? I'm sure if He'd shown them how messed up the world would be they wouldn't have sinned...

He did show them what the world would look like.....the garden was the blueprint of what the whole earth would become under their care and the creative flair he had given them. He did not tell Adam that he would go to hell for his disobedience, but that he would simply return to where he was before God created him. Adam knew what death meant, because animals are not granted everlasting life...only we have that privilege. He saw the lifeless bodies of animals who had died, so he was not unacquainted with the concept of death.

The full impact of what their disobedience led to, is recorded for all of us in God's word....and in the world we now have to deal with as a result of man's rebellion and continuing disregard for God's laws. We as Adam's children will never want this to happen again. It is one thing to tell the humans what is good for them, but another thing entirely to allow them to experience first hand what it means to disobey. Which is the better teacher? Experience is something we don't forget.

Isn't it kinda messed up though that God gave him the power to mess up Job's life like that knowing that Job would pass the test?

Why? It was a lesson that millions have benefited from ever since. We are all in the same position as Job if we profess to serve the true God of our own free will. Nothing should break our integrity.....Job lost everything he valued in life....his children and all his worldly possessions one after the other. He never even got to take a breath before the next round of bad news....yet even though he had no idea why he was suffering, he never once ascribed anything bad to God....never blamed him.

Would God like it if He were human and His creator allowed someone evil to mess up His life like that?

The martyrs down through time knew what they were suffering and dying for.....they gave up their lives willingly, based on faith in their reward...that God would return them to life and bless them.

Job had no idea why he was being targeted and couldn't understand why God would have reasons for allowing all this to happen to him.....yet he kept his integrity in spite of it.....that is what makes his success such an utter defeat for satan, who could not break him. God delighted in restoring all that Job had lost many times over and in giving him 10 more children, not replacing the ones he lost so much as adding to them. In the resurrection Job will have all 20 of his children to enjoy the new earth in more peace and prosperity than he ever imagined. His short time of suffering is a blip on the radar compared to an eternity of purposeful life in paradise.

I thought Jews in the Old Testament believed that you slept after you died and there was no resurrection? The book of Ecclesiasties is a good example of that. Also Job's memory wasn't erased and God didn't bring his other children back to life but just replaced them.

Not true. The Jews knew that in sheol there was no consciousness. But even Job knew about the resurrection....

Job 14:13-15, at the height of his suffering, Job prayed to God...."O that in the Grave [sheol] you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me!
14 If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes.
15 You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands."

Jesus spoke of this time when he calls all of the dead from their graves, Job and his family will surely be among the "righteous" dead. (John 5:28-29)

 

[Deeje]

How long were they?

The creative days were perhaps eons in length, supporting what science knows about the age of the planet and the solar system, and the times in which ancient creatures walked the earth that are now long extinct. Under satan's influence however, they use this to contrast the claims of the YEC's who say that we have a young earth and that everything is just a few thousand years old. That is complete nonsense and does not take into account what Genesis says at all. We live on an old earth and God created slowly and deliberately every creature of its kind. What he didn't do is start life with the wave of his hand like some magician in a few days, "poofing" things into existence. Science and the Bible agree with an old earth and a slow appearance of living things. Adaptation explains the infinite variety of species within each kind.

Do you mean firstborn as in born of a woman?

No, firstborn as in the very first life that God created.

Paul wrote at Colossians 1:15-17, of Jesus...
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist".

This means that God created this firstborn son as his only direct creation, making him unique as "only begotten" ("monogenes" is used in the Bible to describe an "only child".) All other things including the angels were from the Father, through the son. Its called "agency". Jesus was the agent of creation, but not the Creator himself. He is called the "Master Worker" in Proverbs 8:30-31, by his Father's side throughout the whole procedure.

Why would God placing him there knowing He wasn't trustworthy? Why not place a trustworthy angel there?

He was trustworthy when he was given the assignment. In Ezekiel the King of Tyre is addressed as if he were satan....

Ezekiel 28:12-17....

“You were the model of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eʹden, the garden of God. You were adorned with every precious stone. . .
14 I assigned you as the anointed covering cherub.
You were on the holy mountain of God, and you walked about among fiery stones.
15 You were faultless in your ways from the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you. . . .
You became filled with violence, and you began to sin.
So I will cast you out as profane from the mountain of God and destroy you,
O covering cherub, away from the stones of fire.
17 Your heart became haughty because of your beauty.
You corrupted your wisdom because of your own glorious splendor."

This gives us a bit of an idea of how it went down.

This guardian angel entertained wrong desires and began to scheme to carry them out. (James 1:13-15)

Really? What does it teach?

It teaches that Jesus in his pre-human existence was the second most powerful being in the Universe, a creation of God but not God. (Revelation 3:14) He willingly submitted to carrying out a very difficult assignment to rescue Adam's children who had been victims of the fallout from their parent's disobedience through no fault on their part.

Jesus did not have to be God to carry out that assignment...in fact if he were God, he couldn't have paid the price required.....a perfect human life.
God is immortal and cannot die, so if Jesus was God, he didn't really die, and the ransom is not paid, meaning that we are all still condemned by Adam's sin.
Spirits are not immortal even though they can live forever. Their continued obedience to God is what allows them to go on living, just like us....though in a different sort of body, in a different realm.

There is no trinity in the Bible. You can squeeze it into some ambiguous verses, but it is not expressly stated by either God or his Christ that they share equality at all. Jesus was called God's "servant".....how does one part of Almighty God serve an equal part of himself?

But if God already knows He's worthy and amazing, then why get offended if He doesn't receive praise?

He is not offended, but hurt that humans can so easily be fooled by a clever bit of the devil's propaganda.

His self approval should be good enough shouldn't it? Why care if worthless, fallible mortals don't worship you?

Because it means their death. He doesn't want to have to destroy anyone, but he will be forced to in order to create the world he wants us to live in. (2 Peter 3:9)
No rebels can be tolerated there. There will only be righteousness. Nothing to disturb the peace. (2 Peter 3:13)

I don't mind, I enjoy our discussion.

Love to talk about the Bible.

 

[Deeje]

What's the difference?

Everlasting life is simply life that has been extended, never to end unless there is a reason to terminate that life. Originally no one's life needed to be terminated because there was no reason to abuse the free will that God granted to his spirit sons and to his human children. So everlasting life was the expectation for all of them.

Immortality literally means "deathless" or the "power of an indestructible life" .....an immortal cannot die....no one can destroy an immortal.

At first Jehovah was the only one who possessed immortality, but when returning to heaven on the completion of his successful mission on earth, Jesus was granted immortal life as a reward for his faithful service. God's trust in his son was not misplaced.

Imagine if immortality had been granted to humankind untested, with the propensity to abuse their free will?.....that could have been disastrous! God remains in control whist he is the arbiter of life and death.
Punishment and reward.

I think trinitarians would say that humans are too limited in understanding to understand the Trinity.

That is a cop out....the trinity is an incomprehensible piece of nonsense designed to get humans to break God's laws.....they have put another god in place of "the only true God" as Jesus called his Father. (John 17:3) That is a breach of the first Commandment. Not forgivable.

Jesus never once said he was God. When the Jews accused him of that blasphemy...
John 10:31-36...

"Once again the Jews picked up stones to stone him. 32 Jesus replied to them: “I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?” 33 The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?"

Here was an ideal opportunity for Jesus to admit to being God.....the Jews were going to stone him for blasphemy anyway....but what did Jesus call himself?
He said that his Father had called human judges "gods" and yet how was he committing blasphemy for merely claiming to be "God's son"? Adam is called a son of God in the scriptures. (Luke 3:38)

 

[Jos]

This is such a welcome change from having to defend creation and God's existence....

Glad I'm welcome lol

John 6:44 says that he does...but not to just anyone. He is looking for those who want to serve his interests and not just their own. We want to serve God out of love for him, not just for the reward. He can read hearts.

That verse kinda negates free will, doesn't it, when it says God has to draw us to Him first rather than we seek Him out?

God has given rulership over to him so that he prove to others what a complete failure he is.

Is it really worthy it to let him have the power to do all the evil he's doing though?

He knew that God would have to prove himself

But God doesn't need to prove anything to anyone...

We already know how it ends and who wins.....but which side the witnesses choose determines their own future.

Does Satan know that He will lose? And if he does, why does even bother doing anything? This whole thing would have been a waste of time from the beginning...

Adam knew what death meant,

How could He know what death meant if there was no death before God created man? I thought the world was without sin and death before man was created...

Experience is something we don't forget.

But why is it lesson continuing to be taught for so long? Hasn't there been enough suffering?

Why? It was a lesson that millions have benefited from ever since.

I just don't like the fact that anything can be taken away from you at anytime.

Job had no idea why he was being targeted and couldn't understand why God would have reasons for allowing all this to happen to him.....yet he kept his integrity in spite of it.....that is what makes his success such an utter defeat for satan, who could not break him. God delighted in restoring all that Job had lost many times over and in giving him 10 more children, not replacing the ones he lost so much as adding to them. In the resurrection Job will have all 20 of his children to enjoy the new earth in more peace and prosperity than he ever imagined. His short time of suffering is a blip on the radar compared to an eternity of purposeful life in paradise.

OK I understand but still though it's really sad

Jesus spoke of this time when he calls all of the dead from their graves, Job and his family will surely be among the "righteous" dead. (John 5:28-29)

But Jews don't accept Jesus as Messiah right?

The creative days were perhaps eons in length, supporting what science knows about the age of the planet and the solar system, and the times in which ancient creatures walked the earth that are now long extinct. Under satan's influence however, they use this to contrast the claims of the YEC's who say that we have a young earth and that everything is just a few thousand years old. That is complete nonsense and does not take into account what Genesis says at all. We live on an old earth and God created slowly and deliberately every creature of its kind. What he didn't do is start life with the wave of his hand like some magician in a few days, "poofing" things into existence. Science and the Bible agree with an old earth and a slow appearance of living things. Adaptation explains the infinite variety of species within each kind.

So evolution is true?

No, firstborn as in the very first life that God created.

But in the beginning of the book of the Gospel of John it says that Jesus has always existed and was God...

This guardian angel entertained wrong desires and began to scheme to carry them out. (

But if he was perfect, doesn't that mean that it would be impossible for him to sin? God can't sin because He has a perfect nature so if the angel had a perfect nature then he shouldn't have been able to sin...

Jesus did not have to be God to carry out that assignment...in fact if he were God, he couldn't have paid the price required.....a perfect human life.

How can a human with an imperfect nature, live a sinless life?

Spirits are not immortal even though they can live forever. Their continued obedience to God

But Satan, the other rebellious angels and unrepentant humans are all spiritual beings who are disobedient but will live forever in hell...

There is no trinity in the Bible. You can squeeze it into some ambiguous verse, but it is not expressly stated by either God or his Christ that they share equality at all. Jesus was called God's "servant".....how does one part of Almighty God serve an equal part of himself?

Again I suspect Trinitarians will say that the Trinity is impossible for humans with a limited understanding to fully comprehend.
And doesn't the Bible talk about a Godhead?

Because it means their death. He doesn't want to have to destroy anyone, but he will be forced to in order to create the world he wants us tom live in

So praise and worship is ultimately just obedience?

 

[Jos]

I am reaching the limit of my interest in the subject and can only suggest further investigation.

Ok fair enough.

. I also think the NT suggests having multiple interpretations.

Where does it suggest that? And also having multiple interpretations can lead to contradictory positions

I think there are different ways this could be explained.

What are the different ways?

These are passages mentioning the LORD, aka the covenant.

It seems like a covenant to me. Why protect the Israelites for centuries if they weren't His chosen people and why promise them a promised land and give them laws since they were His people and He wanted them to be set apart from surrounding cultures and live holy?

 

[Jos]

Everlasting life is simply life that has been extended, never to end unless there is a reason to terminate that life. Originally no one's life needed to be terminated because there was no reason to abuse the free will that God granted to his spirit sons and to his human children. So everlasting life was the expectation for all of them.

Immortality literally means "deathless" or the "power of an indestructible life" .....an immortal cannot die....no one can destroy an immortal.

OK interesting...

Here was an ideal opportunity for Jesus to admit to being God.....the Jews were going to stone him for blasphemy anyway....but what did Jesus call himself?
He said that his Father had called human judges "gods" and yet how was he committing blasphemy for merely claiming to be "God's son"? Adam is called a son of God in the scriptures.

Fair point but TBH if I don't know if Unitarians or Trinitarians have it correct since both sides have good points.

 

[InChrist]

Cause it says in the Bible not to question God in the book of Job and that His ways are higher than humans' ways, so I probably won't get an answer.

On the contrary, the Bible gives instruction to seek wisdom from God...If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him (James 1:5).

Yet, it appears you are questioning God's right and prerogative as the Creator to create individuals made in His image, which He has clearly revealed in His word He chose to do. God is Love and God has clearly demonstrated that He desires to share the love that the triune Godhead has eternally shared .

 

[Jos]

On the contrary, the Bible gives instruction to seek wisdom from God...If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him (James 1:5).

Yet, it appears you are questioning God's right and prerogative as the Creator to create individuals made in His image, which He has clearly revealed in His word He chose to do. God is Love and God has clearly demonstrated that He desires to share the love that the triune Godhead has eternally shared .

I just questioned why He created me knowing I wouldn't want to exist... I'm not questioning His ability to create other people.

 

[InChrist]

I just questioned why He created me knowing I wouldn't want I exist... I'm not questioning His ability to create other people.

Why would you not want to exist, if God created you? If God is God, then wouldn't He have more wisdom than you and know that your life is worth bringing into existence?

 

[Jos]

Why would you not want to exist, if God created you? If God is God, then wouldn't He have more wisdom than you and know that your life is worth bringing into existence?

There are many reasons why I don't want to exist:
- this world is really messed up
- human nature is really imperfect and flawed and I don't like that and I don't like that humans are born with a sinful nature
- I don't like that being human means you're born into a spiritual war between God and Satan... a war you didn't start or sign up for among other things.

 

[InChrist]

There are many reasons why I don't want to exist:
- this world is really messed up
- human nature is really imperfect and flawed and I don't like that and I don't like that humans are born with a sinful nature
- I don't like that being human means you're born into a spiritual war between God and Satan... a war you didn't start or sign up for among other things.

I agree, this world is messed up and I don't like the way things are, but I do trust God's love and ultimate plan and purpose to bring about final goodness, peace, and victory over sin and evil, don't you?

...it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Cor. 2:9