US announces closure of Palestinian mission in Washington

[columbus]

And i repeat again, What is your fixation with egypt anyway? Do you think it somehow justifies israeIi atrocities?

Why try to ignore Egypt?
From the military assaults that largely created the current situation to the border with Gaza, Egypt is a major player. Perhaps if you substituted "explains" for "justifies" in your question you'd have a more nuanced and accurate view of the answer.
Tom

 

[Anthem]

I love this thread, but it has about 5% of factual information in it. An overwhelming amount of misinformation and propaganda.

About the OP:

Well the OP is obviously wrong. Outrageous claims whenever they speak.

The matter in the news piece - good.

The consistency of it with the current givernment.............

.............

Well it isn't consistent.

Ahh. Well it isn't very important. PLO is dead meat anyway.

 

[ChristineM]

Why try to ignore Egypt?
From the military assaults that largely created the current situation to the border with Gaza, Egypt is a major player. Perhaps if you substituted "explains" for "justifies" in your question you'd have a more nuanced and accurate view of the answer.
Tom

I am not ignoring egypt, it is simply irrelevant to the israeI-palestine debacle.

 

[columbus]

I am not ignoring egypt, it is simply irrelevant to the israeI-palestine debacle.

It is not irrelevant.
The last several decades of Egyptian policies are a huge part of the problem.

Their blockade hurts Gazans too. Their attacks on Israel helped lead to the current disaster.
It's all a big tangled mess. A huge part of the problem in resolving it peacefully is people who want to a sign blame to one side or the other and handwave away the blame for their favorites. Which is what it looks like you are doing.
Tom

 

[ChristineM]

It is not irrelevant.
The last several decades of Egyptian policies are a huge part of the problem.

Their blockade hurts Gazans too. Their attacks on Israel helped lead to the current disaster.
It's all a big tangled mess. A huge part of the problem in resolving it peacefully is people who want to a sign blame to one side or the other and handwave away the blame for their favorites. Which is what it looks like you are doing.
Tom

Whatever you think.

There is little chance of the mess being resolved peacefully until both sides decide.

Egypt is not the idf, they have no control over the idf.

 

[columbus]

Egypt is not the idf, they have no control over the idf

This is kinda stupid.
Of course, IDF is not Egypt and vice versa.
IDF isn`t the whole problem, either. The violence of Islamic culture is a bigger problem. IDF is a response to it.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Whatever you think.

There is little chance of the mess being resolved peacefully until both sides decide.

Egypt is not the idf, they have no control over the idf.

As long as you extremists keep shifting blame, there will be no peace.
As long as you keep saying stupid things, like Egypt isn`t IDF (we all know that) you remain part of the problem.


Both sides have to decide on Peace. Let me know when you have decided on peace, rather than supporting Palestinian violence, because you think it is justified.
Maybe I am wrong, but that`s what I see in your many posts on RF. Violence is justified when it is .Muslims.
Tom

 

[ChristineM]

This is kinda stupid.
Of course, IDF is not Egypt and vice versa.
IDF isn`t the whole problem, either. The violence of Islamic culture is a bigger problem. IDF is a response to it.
Tom

Therefore, as i said several days ago. Egypt is irrelevant to my posts.

As long as you extremists keep shifting blame, there will be no peace.
As long as you keep saying stupid things, like Egypt isn`t IDF (we all know that) you remain part of the problem.


Both sides have to decide on Peace. Let me know when you have decided on peace, rather than supporting Palestinian violence, because you think it is justified.
Maybe I am wrong, but that`s what I see in your many posts on RF. Violence is justified when it is .Muslims.
Tom

As long as isreal continues to commander land and kill innocents then saying "not us doing it"

Like i said, irrelevant, you and others seem diturmind

Like i said, irrelevant. You and others seem determined to twist my posts to include egypt... I was not discussing egypt, what is wrong with people today?

Im sure i said "There is little chance of the mess being resolved peacefully until both sides decide."

Yes you are wrong, please dont jump to conclusions just because i loath unwarranted killing.

 

[columbus]

Egypt is irrelevant to my posts.

Why do you think that Muslim violence is irrelevant?
Tom

 

[ChristineM]

Why do you think that Muslim violence is irrelevant?
Tom

I dont. But it is irrelevant to my post in the same way the IRA, the LRA, the KKK, anti balaka and many other murdering groups are irrelevant.

 

[columbus]

I dont. But it is irrelevant to my post

Oh, OK.
Violence is only relevant when it`s politically correct to bring it up as an issue.

That`s what it looks like to me. Feel free to show me where you were as judgemental about Muslim violence as you are about Zionist violence. Because I don`t see it and I have drawn the conclusion that you are Anti-Zionist, not anti-violence.
Tom

 

[ChristineM]

Oh, OK.
Violence is only relevant when it`s politically correct to bring it up as an issue.

That`s what it looks like to me. Feel free to show me where you were as judgemental about Muslim violence as you are about Zionist violence. Because I don`t see it and I have drawn the conclusion that you are Anti-Zionist, not anti-violence.
Tom

You are the one making claims.

 

[Anthem]

Oh, OK.
Violence is only relevant when it`s politically correct to bring it up as an issue.

That`s what it looks like to me. Feel free to show me where you were as judgemental about Muslim violence as you are about Zionist violence. Because I don`t see it and I have drawn the conclusion that you are Anti-Zionist, not anti-violence.
Tom

Oh. I see. You use form letters. No arguments then.pha

 

[Anthem]

As long as you extremists keep shifting blame, there will be no peace.
As long as you keep saying stupid things, like Egypt isn`t IDF (we all know that) you remain part of the problem.


Both sides have to decide on Peace. Let me know when you have decided on peace, rather than supporting Palestinian violence, because you think it is justified.
Maybe I am wrong, but that`s what I see in your many posts on RF. Violence is justified when it is .Muslims.
Tom

Actually the first time there was about to be a peace deal the Israeli terrorists assasinated the peace maker.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

When required.

Well I'll hope you'll refrain from comparing Jewish people to the homeless in future.

If thats how they want to live its up to them, no one else

Not sure why you keep saying this as I've not disagreed once.

Making the accurate observation that Arab countries are typically repressive tyrannies =/= removing the right of Arabs to have their own countries.

I am not complaining, i am stating the obvious.
India is not a hindu state (yet)
Nor is saudi arabia a muslim state

What? How is Saudi Arabia not a Muslim state? KSA is an Islamic theocracy with Islam as the state religion and religious scholars running the government; non-Muslims are banned by law from practising their religion (even if they're foreign workers) so there's no freedom of religion; atheists are considered terrorists by the state; leaving Islam is a crime punishable by death; private prayer services are suppressed and the religious police regularly raid Christian homes. Oh, and if compensation is deemed a necessary punishment by a court, a Muslim will receive the full compensation whereas a Christian or Jew would receive only half - while a member of any other religion would receive 1/16th of the compensation awarded by the court.

Sure they have high percentages of the relevant religious belief. However both cases they are subject to international law and UN protocols.

There are no UN protocols which ban countries from having state religions.

 

[ChristineM]

Well I'll hope you'll refrain from comparing Jewish people to the homeless in future.

I didn't, i provided an example that you refused to answer and twisted it.

Not sure why you keep saying this as I've not disagreed once.

Making the accurate observation that Arab countries are typically repressive tyrannies =/= removing the right of Arabs to have their own countries.

I keep saying it because it is not anyone elses decision to dictate how another country governs itself. I dont know why you find this such a difficult concept.

What? How is Saudi Arabia not a Muslim state? KSA is an Islamic theocracy with Islam as the state religion and religious scholars running the government; non-Muslims are banned by law from practising their religion (even if they're foreign workers) so there's no freedom of religion; atheists are considered terrorists by the state; leaving Islam is a crime punishable by death; private prayer services are suppressed and the religious police regularly raid Christian homes. Oh, and if compensation is deemed a necessary punishment by a court, a Muslim will receive the full compensation whereas a Christian or Jew would receive only half - while a member of any other religion would receive 1/16th of the compensation awarded by the court.

Islam is the majority religion of Saudi Arabia but it is a sovereign state, with minority religions of budhism, hinduism, christianity etc. Its laws are not under discussion.

There are no UN protocols which ban countries from having state religions.

And? They still abide by un protocols, more then can be said of israel where palestine is concerned

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I didn't, i provided an example that you refused to answer and twisted it.

Well perhaps you could explain what you meant then if the "wandering tramp" didn't represent the Jews in this analogy. Does the wandering tramp represent the Arabs (because that's pretty distasteful too)? Did you mean something else?

I keep saying it because it is not anyone elses decision to dictate how another country governs itself. I dont know why you find this such a difficult concept.

I guess I'm having difficulty with it because I fail to see how it applies to me. I'm not dictating how anybody should do anything; merely expressing my views. Let's be real: this is an online discussion forum, not the UN General Assembly. Nobody's likely to take what we have to say here as foreign policy.

Islam is the majority religion of Saudi Arabia but it is a sovereign state, with minority religions of budhism, hinduism, christianity etc. Its laws are not under discussion.

It's a sovereign state with laws directly inspired by one or more schools of Islamic law & jurisprudence. One such law is that Islam is the only legally accepted religion in Saudi Arabia; it is against the law to practice any other faith and the religious police frequently raid the homes of foreign workers to make sure they're not house-churching or anything. The presence of minority faiths is also entirely represented by foreign workers.

Saudi laws became pertinent the moment you made the erroneous claim that Saudi Arabia is not a Muslim state. It's as Islamic a country as it's possible to be.

And? They still abide by un protocols, more then can be said of israel where palestine is concerned

I seriously doubt that. They definitely don't abide by UN protocols on religious freedom; nor on freedom of thought; nor on the respect of human rights (see Yemen).

 

[Anthem]

Well perhaps you could explain what you meant then if the "wandering tramp" didn't represent the Jews in this analogy. Does the wandering tramp represent the Arabs (because that's pretty distasteful too)? Did you mean something else?




I guess I'm having difficulty with it because I fail to see how it applies to me. I'm not dictating how anybody should do anything; merely expressing my views. Let's be real: this is an online discussion forum, not the UN General Assembly. Nobody's likely to take what we have to say here as foreign policy.




It's a sovereign state with laws directly inspired by one or more schools of Islamic law & jurisprudence. One such law is that Islam is the only legally accepted religion in Saudi Arabia; it is against the law to practice any other faith and the religious police frequently raid the homes of foreign workers to make sure they're not house-churching or anything. The presence of minority faiths is also entirely represented by foreign workers.

Saudi laws became pertinent the moment you made the erroneous claim that Saudi Arabia is not a Muslim state. It's as Islamic a country as it's possible to be.




I seriously doubt that. They definitely don't abide by UN protocols on religious freedom; nor on freedom of thought; nor on the respect of human rights (see Yemen).

(Why see Yemen?)

A very problematic part of this "accusation" is that Israel is stopping their societies from evolving. Their nation needs stability, money, peace, guidance, support and a lot of time to evolve and change many things. Israel accuses them of not magically changing into a land of well being and sabotages all their attempts to do so....

 

[ChristineM]

Well perhaps you could explain what you meant then if the "wandering tramp" didn't represent the Jews in this analogy. Does the wandering tramp represent the Arabs (because that's pretty distasteful too)? Did you mean something else?




I guess I'm having difficulty with it because I fail to see how it applies to me. I'm not dictating how anybody should do anything; merely expressing my views. Let's be real: this is an online discussion forum, not the UN General Assembly. Nobody's likely to take what we have to say here as foreign policy.




It's a sovereign state with laws directly inspired by one or more schools of Islamic law & jurisprudence. One such law is that Islam is the only legally accepted religion in Saudi Arabia; it is against the law to practice any other faith and the religious police frequently raid the homes of foreign workers to make sure they're not house-churching or anything. The presence of minority faiths is also entirely represented by foreign workers.

Saudi laws became pertinent the moment you made the erroneous claim that Saudi Arabia is not a Muslim state. It's as Islamic a country as it's possible to be.




I seriously doubt that. They definitely don't abide by UN protocols on religious freedom; nor on freedom of thought; nor on the respect of human rights (see Yemen).

Did i or did i not say if a wondering tramp set up home in your garden and claimed it as his own?

But; if people dont abide by your views they are wrong? Which is how you are painting muslim majority countries.
Funny you should bring up the UN, take a look how many UN resolutions are made and ignored by jews and arabs over the palestine conflict.

Your opinion is noted (again), however statecraft does not operate to your opinion.
Is Saudi Arabia an Islamic state
https://www.quora.com/Is-Saudi-Arabia-an-Islamic-state
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or the People’s Republic of Iran can be called an Islamic state only in the broader sense that they implement Shari‘a law. But no country in the world is actually an Islamic state in the true sense.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

(Why see Yemen?)

Because the Saudi military continually hits civilian targets such as hospitals; a gross violation of human rights. Yet they are currently head of the UNHCR which is a rather cruel joke.

A very problematic part of this "accusation" is that Israel is stopping their societies from evolving. Their nation needs stability, money, peace, guidance, support and a lot of time to evolve and change many things. Israel accuses them of not magically changing into a land of well being and sabotages all their attempts to do so....

Well we only need to look at Arab countries that aren't being 'held back' by Israel to have a fair idea of how that would work out.

Did i or did i not say if a wondering tramp set up home in your garden and claimed it as his own?

And did you or did you not mean that as an analogy to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

But; if people dont abide by your views they are wrong? Which is how you are painting muslim majority countries.

Yeah. Tyrannies aren't the most effective way to run a country. Doesn't mean I think they ought to change for me or that we should enact change for them. It's not our job to fix their problems.

Funny you should bring up the UN, take a look how many UN resolutions are made and ignored by jews and arabs over the palestine conflict.

At least you admit it's not all one-way.

Your opinion is noted (again), however statecraft does not operate to your opinion.

I'm not sure why you constantly feel the need to tell me my opinion is noted; nor am I sure why you feel the need to go on and on like a broken record when we've already established I don't have the ability to dictate anything.

You made it clear that statecraft does not operate to my opinion the first time.

Is Saudi Arabia an Islamic state
https://www.quora.com/Is-Saudi-Arabia-an-Islamic-state
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or the People’s Republic of Iran can be called an Islamic state only in the broader sense that they implement Shari‘a law. But no country in the world is actually an Islamic state in the true sense.

Interesting. So we're both right in that the answer is a bit more nuanced than expected. It's also kind of worrying that the person explaining this believes that a true Islamic state should have no borders because it should always have room to expand.