Who said anything about Justification? I certainly did not. You are just projecting here, sadly-- a tactic I find all too common among theists.
All I did was respond to your words.
You said..."Principle Difference: The US was not an actual God. So the US was limited in methods used to halt further Japanese Empire Building." So tell me how that was not justifying the use of heinous weapons?
This isn't the thread to debate the outcomes with or without the use of Atomic Weapons of Mass Destruction.
I note you 100% ignored the fact that more Japanese died from firebombing of Japanese cities, than died from the two atom bombs-- but that doesn't count, right?
Of course it doesn't count...
You think that WMD' s are the only problem? Any weapon designed to inflict the maximum amount of carnage and pain on the maximum number of people is not exactly a display of humanitarianism....ya know? What are the designers of these weapons intending? Was the firebombing somehow more humane than the two atom bombs? The carnage and suffering are deliberate. No human who calls themselves a "Christian" could ever be a party to that.....yet when war is declared and the soldiers identify as "Christians", their "Christianity" disappears as soon as they train to kill....let alone when they are called to do it.
Did you ever see what the use of napalm in Vietnam did to those who had their skin burned off?
Did you see what was left behind after "Agent Orange" was used to defoliate the jungle? They poisoned even their own people who suffered for decades afterwards.
What about those who are bombed? Are bombs OK? In the last world war they used what were called treacle bombs because the stuff used in them was designed to chemically burn the skin off their victims. However you look at it......humanity has nothing to be proud of in their quest for world domination or to steal land or resources. They will justify all manner of inhuman activity to achieve their aims. Look up "inhuman" in the dictionary.
Pick ANY bible story-- and I can show you a more moral method to get the desired outcome.
Really? You know what God knows and could have done better?
That is so incredibly arrogant. It couldn't possibly be that there are factors that you have never even considered that led God to act the way he did. But you know better...right?
LOL
The worst atrocity of them all? The time the bible's god was SO SIMPLE-MINDED that he had to literally murder the entire planet, in order to do a "do over"-- literally killing all the babies over the whole planet.
Or the one judging his actions without any real knowledge of the situation might be the "simple minded" one?
Oh...."killing the babies" !!! How awful of God to do that under the circumstances. In Australia we have some extremely venemous critters. If I came across a nest of funnel web spiders in my home, would I just kill the parents and leave the cute little babies? What will they grow up to be? Could any of them turn out to be anything else?
In the climate of unbridled sex and violence that permeated human society at that time, why would God allow the children of wicked parents to live? Who would raise them all? Only 8 people were considered worthy of keeping their lives at that time....and God made sure that they valued their lives and their obedience to God's commands enough to work hard for the privilege.
That's the behavior of a 2 year old. Not an actual god...
LOL....it appears that the only two year olds around here are those who think they know better than God.
Might Makes Right is the basis of your "complaint" here.
Except? That is an IMMORAL stance. Meaning? Your god is IMMORAL.
If "might makes right", then God could have wiped all rebels out right at the beginning.....and simply started again. But because the appropriate use of free will was at issue, it was important to teach humans how to drive it responsibly. Had he just 'flexed his muscles' there would be no object lesson and no way to teach mankind that abusing free will never ends well. He let them see for themselves the full impact of what happens when they refuse to obey him. He will not interfere with the lesson unless his purpose is compromised in some way (such as the pre-flood world where demonic influence accelerated things too quickly.) The flood was a stop gap measure and simply recalibrated things, putting God's purpose back on track.
At the end of the day, all humans will have been given opportunity to prove themselves....to give God a real demonstration of who they are....what they value.....and how their decisions have impacted on others. Nothing works better than an object lesson. Experience is the best teacher but humans prove every day that some just don't get it. They will stumble through life making their decisions independently of anything God says and then wonder why things don't go well. This world is a prime example of what happens when people abandon God's ways to persue their own.
Every evil thing that happens in people's lives is the result of someone abusing their free will. Think about it.
The situations we have seen in Bible history don't make God "immoral"...it makes him a lot wiser than short sighted atheists who will never "get it" and appreciate his vision of the future.
Like it or not, this is God's earth and he will do with it whatever he pleases.....we have a choice to be included in his plans....or to be excluded from them. We can either praise God for his wisdom...or we can curse him for his perceived "immorality".
His plans will go ahead, with us or without us.....so, like an ant on a railway track, humans will never stop the locomotive. Better to climb on board that to try to repel the irresistible force. That is how I see it.
What about you? Will shaking your fist in ignorance change anything?
