Why Believe Jesus Never Had Sex?

[Bob the Unbeliever]

If you wanted that recorded into history as your legacy.

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The Egyptians did record successes and failures. So your excuse simply does not fly-- Exodus never took place as described by the bible.

(red herring about Ms Clinton ignored)

 

[Jainarayan]

When did Abraham and Jacob live? Jacob's descendants were yet to become the nation of Israel. So we are talking about Patrirchal times. Outstanding individuals among mankind at that time showed faith in God. Abraham was chosen to begin a spiritual journey that would result in one nation having God's laws and leaving a written record of God's dealings with that nation and his promise of a redeemer who would be produced by that nation.

Solomon was an Israelite, being the son of King David, so definitely not a pagan. It helps to know what time periods these people lived in.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

??? What story are you spinning? We are talking about why it isn't even listed. Why would you list your faults when the monuments you are creating are for your "good memories"?

Except that the Egyptians DID list their failures. We are not talking about monuments, here-- but discovered caches of clay tablet writing. We have tons of these things. Clay, as it turns out, really does last 1000s of years in a dry climate...

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The Egyptians were meticulous record-keepers. Very meticulous-- they included the annual sales of olive oil (for example).

No mention -- ever -- of large numbers of Hebrew Slaves. In the entire written history of Egypt.

No mention -- ever -- of large numbers of slaves (of any brand) escaping. In all the history of Egypt.

And yes, they did record defeats, and failures, so that lame excuse simply does not fly. (the excuse being that they don't record fails-- false)

The fact is? EXODUS NEVER TOOK PLACE, BECAUSE THE HEBREWS WERE NEVER IN EGYPT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

It’s not surprising there’s ‘no mention’; it ended up being a humiliating experience for the Egyptians....not just the ruler, but for the entire Kingdoms.. And most today know that embarrassing events were often omitted in the official records of those ancient nations.

There are people even now trying to remove any evidence of Hitler’s Holocaust, denying this recent event ever happened!

Not surprising at all.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Except that the Egyptians DID list their failures. We are not talking about monuments, here-- but discovered caches of clay tablet writing. We have tons of these things. Clay, as it turns out, really does last 1000s of years in a dry climate...

No....a Pharaoh might highlight errors of a past ruler to humiliate him, but not that which humiliated his entire nation, as the Israelite exodus did.

 

[Kenny]

Yes, yes-- all matter/energy is made of particles. Does that include your god as well?

If not, what IS your god made of? Magic? Let's see your "answer":



Really?



Aaaaaaannnnnnd you just invoked MAGIC. AGAIN.

This is an answer?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It’s not surprising there’s ‘no mention’; it ended up being a humiliating experience for the Egyptians....not just the ruler, but for the entire Kingdoms.. And most today know that embarrassing events were often omitted in the official records of those ancient nations.

There are people even now trying to remove any evidence of Hitler’s Holocaust, denying this recent event ever happened!

Not surprising at all.

That's just an excuse. The Egyptians wrote about **everything**.... that actually happened. The FACT IS? You have absolutely zero evidence for Exodus.

NONE. NADA. Close to a million people wandering in the very tiny part of the Desert, would have left LOTS of evidence they were there. LOTS.

Where is it?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No....a Pharaoh might highlight errors of a past ruler to humiliate him, but not that which humiliated his entire nation, as the Israelite exodus did.

More excuses. Where is the EVIDENCE of nearly a million Hebrews wandering the desert-- or having lived in Egypt? That many people cannot be covered up.

More? Modern archaeology? Shows that the Pyramids were not--repeat--not built by slave labor... wiping out another point of the narrative.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

This is an answer?

Magic.

That's all you got, sadly. Yet you claim you don't believe in magic.... but you keep invoking it over and over...

... ooops.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

This is an answer?

I see you ignored my question: Of what is your god made of?

 

[Kenny]

The Egyptians were meticulous record-keepers. Very meticulous-- they included the annual sales of olive oil (for example).

No mention -- ever -- of large numbers of Hebrew Slaves. In the entire written history of Egypt.

No mention -- ever -- of large numbers of slaves (of any brand) escaping. In all the history of Egypt.

And yes, they did record defeats, and failures, so that lame excuse simply does not fly. (the excuse being that they don't record fails-- false)

The fact is? EXODUS NEVER TOOK PLACE, BECAUSE THE HEBREWS WERE NEVER IN EGYPT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

In Your Humble Opinion.

http://www.aish.com/h/pes/t/f/British-Museum--Evidence-of-Israelite-Slavery-in-Egypt.html

EVERYBODY knows that archaeology is a slow painstaking effort.

At one time they thought King David was a myth until........ archaeological discoveries

At one time they didn't believe King Solomon's Kingdom was that large until...... archaeological discoveries.

 

[Kenny]

Magic.

That's all you got, sadly. Yet you claim you don't believe in magic.... but you keep invoking it over and over...

... ooops.

Straight from the Bob the UNBELIEVERS mouth! A source we can trust.

 

[Kenny]

I see you ignored my question: Of what is your god made of?

Was there really a question?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

In Your Humble Opinion.

British Museum & Evidence of Israelite Slavery in Egypt

EVERYBODY knows that archaeology is a slow painstaking effort.

At one time they thought King David was a myth until........ archaeological discoveries

At one time they didn't believe King Solomon's Kingdom was that large until...... archaeological discoveries.

Dead link. At least, it is for me-- I could not get it to even come up. And what is "aish dot com" anyway?

If it's a Pro Bible website? I find I cannot believe anything it has to say...

As for your ... ahem.... "archaeological discoveries"... really? From accredited Universities? Or from bible-pushers, desperate to find "evidence" for their foregone conclusions?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Straight from the Bob the UNBELIEVERS mouth! A source we can trust.

You continue to fail to answer my valid criticism. Instead, you attempt to denigrate the messenger.

Shoot The Messenger Logical Fallacy.

Keep ignoring my questions. It doesn't help your case.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Was there really a question?

Yes. What is your god made of? If it is not made of matter/energy? Can you truly say your god even exists at all?

 

[Kenny]

Yes. What is your god made of? If it is not made of matter/energy? Can you truly say your god even exists at all?

Listen Bob,

You have given no evidence to support many of your assertions. You quote one source, I give another source (of which there are tons that say the same thing) and you say it is a Jesus lying source.

You ask questions, such as what is God made of, as if man knows everything that there is to know (of which we haven't even touched the tip of all that there is to know)

You change the OP question

The reality is, there is absolutely NO answer that will satisfy you.

You remain an honest unbeliever.

OK! I got that! We can remain friends knowing that we believe differently.

I say there is a God, you say there isn't. You want me to prove (to one that has shown that no answer is good enough) that there is a God.

Prove to me there isn't a God. (And don't give the answer that you can't prove a negative because I can prove that 7/22 does not equal 7/21.)

We can look at the same evidence and come to two different conclusions.

Let just say we don't agree and leave it at that. And I finish with this statement...


Shalom

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The Egyptians did record successes and failures. So your excuse simply does not fly-- Exodus never took place as described by the bible.

(red herring about Ms Clinton ignored)

My favourite aspect of the Exodus story is how they supposedly wandered on the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years even though if just the men stood shoulder-to-shoulder, they would form a line long enough to stretch from one side of the peninsula to the other.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Close to a million people wandering in the very tiny part of the Desert, would have left LOTS of evidence they were there. LOTS.

Where is it?

Yes, wandering, 3500 years ago, with distinct Laws governing their cleanliness.

What would you expect to find, Snickers wrappers laying on the ground?

What’s “LOTS of evidence”, to you?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Listen Bob,

You have given no evidence to support many of your assertions. You quote one source, I give another source (of which there are tons that say the same thing) and you say it is a Jesus lying source..

Yet you cannot point to a secular, or even a University source? And all I'm doing is pointing directly to the bible itself-- only without cherry-picking or pretending the words don't mean what is actually written...

You ask questions, such as what is God made of, as if man knows everything that there is to know (of which we haven't even touched the tip of all that there is to know)

Yet you claim you don't believe in magic..... hmmmmm.

You change the OP question.

Not really.

The reality is, there is absolutely NO answer that will satisfy you..

Absolutely NOT! All I ever ask of theists? Is have their god show up and say, "Hi!" or other similar deeds.

Or have this god cure all cancer in infants. Or re-do the world's weather patterns, such that no babies EVER go hungry-- anywhere on the planet.

Or made all diseases that mostly attack infants and children, just go away.

Or any of 1000's of possible GODLY DEEDS that would be beyond the realm of physics/chemistry/biology.

Too much? Yeah..... we KNOW. This is why we do not believe you. Your god is so "subtle" that it is literally indistinguishable from no god of any kind!

You remain an honest unbeliever..

All I ever ask is for evidence that cannot be explained away. Too much to ask?

See above.

OK! I got that! We can remain friends knowing that we believe differently.
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Well, of course! All humans have value, IMO. No Matter What. And yes-- even trump (I have to grudgingly admit, although it pains me to do so)

I say there is a God, you say there isn't. You want me to prove (to one that has shown that no answer is good enough) that there is a God..

Absolutely FALSE! All I ask? Is for actual evidence that is of a Godly Degree. It is literally the least we can expect from an actual God.

Prove to me there isn't a God. (And don't give the answer that you can't prove a negative because I can prove that 7/22 does not equal 7/21.).

Don't have to-- *I* am not the one making the Godly Claims. That would be YOU. All *I* have to do?

Is ask YOU to prove YOUR claim! You cannot shift the burden of proof onto the person asking for proof!

We can look at the same evidence and come to two different conclusions..

WHAT evidence, WHERE?

Let just say we don't agree and leave it at that. And I finish with this statement...


Shalom

If only it were that simple.... *sigh*....