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The New System

Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Looncall said:
Bah, this guff is just part of the old, old scam.

Believers would have us still ignorant, backward and under the jackboots of greedy clerics.

See what has happened to the Muslim world since they let their clerics get the upper hand.
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Well it was the clerics who started higher education as we know it, not that I disagree with you on that. My advise is steer clear of the clerics.
 
Rational Agnostic

Rational Agnostic

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Etritonakin said:
Not specifically -it said SOME there would not taste death (also implying that some would) until that time. What that means is another subject -but he did not specifically say it would happen within a human lifetime. Other verses are obviously addressing future generations -Christ knowing his words would be recorded.
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"Some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28). The question is, are there people today alive who were alive at the time of this statement, and thus, are over 2000 years old? Of course there aren't. It was a failed prophecy. Even C.S. Lewis acknowledged this.
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Hubert Farnsworth said:
"Some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28). The question is, are there people today alive who were alive at the time of this statement, and thus, are over 2000 years old? Of course there aren't. It was a failed prophecy. Even C.S. Lewis acknowledged this.
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You are assuming what was meant -but you are free to do so
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Bob the Unbeliever said:
It's not "proof" if one has to DIE first! Ooops!

What you have there? Is faith-- and with FAITH? There can be NOTHING NEW, in the information department.

This is because FAITH can be literally ANYTHING: Many folk, for example, have FAITH that Ancient Aliens will travel to a near earth orbit, and take them up to an Alien Utopian Society using magic or teleportation or some such (it's never clear how).

Faith is useless, here. That's why we need facts.

Alas, the bible doesn't have any... facts, that is.
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I was not making those points in the first place. Just assume "according to the bible" and believe it or don't -it happens or it doesn't -whatever.
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Statements from an old man in his 70's, quoted by Saul, plagiarizing prophesies from Jesus. That's quite a stretch, isn't it ?
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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RedhorseWoman said:
The problem with the JWs' imagining of the future is that they don't live in the present. Everything for them is put on hold for the "New System" and they generally refrain from doing anything other than working their tails off for the Watchtower Society in hopes that they will be able to realize all their dreams when they skip into the New System over the rotting corpses of 99.9% of mankind.
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Okay.....completely misunderstood where you were going with that
 
Bob the Unbeliever

Bob the Unbeliever

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RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
You think the love of Jesus is expressed by being nice to people like you?!
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Nope. You are the opposite of "nice".

You need to return to school-- for lots of reasons. A failure to understand the word "nice" being top of a long list...

People like me will never-ever forget that people like you burned us at the stake and worse for centuries.

And that the only thing stopping you today? Is the USA's godless constitution.
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Bob the Unbeliever said:
Nope. You are the opposite of "nice".

You need to return to school-- for lots of reasons. A failure to understand the word "nice" being top of a long list...

People like me will never-ever forget that people like you burned us at the stake and worse for centuries.

And that the only thing stopping you today? Is the USA's godless constitution.
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I would never burn anyone at the stake or kill anyone for any reason.

the USA's constitution isn't godless enough as far as I'm concerned. I am for separation of church and state.
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
We are living in the end times. But, the end times began when Adam and Eve had their first child. So, it could be today at 3:07 PM Eastern or it could be a thousand years from now. The good thing is, the time from when you die to when you are in the new system is like the time you wake up from a sleep. If it's a thousand years it would seem like overnight to you. If it comes in your lifetime that would be different, of course.
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Always seems pretty disingenuous to me when people breathlessly declare "it's the End Times!", then immediately tack on a qualifier to make the statement essentially meaningless. If it's been "the End Times" for the entirety of recorded human history, that makes the End Times pretty m7ch just "times".
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Armoured said:
Always seems pretty disingenuous to me when people breathlessly declare "it's the End Times!", then immediately tack on a qualifier to make the statement essentially meaningless. If it's been "the End Times" for the entirety of recorded human history, that makes the End Times pretty m7ch just "times".
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The JW's were pretty bad about trying to scare people with the end times back in the day. Their illustrations of cities burning and people being swallowed by earthquakes etc. The modern version of the end times are pretty much a reflection of reality. What it is now. But, you are right, the end times, according to the Bible, began with the birth of Adam and Eve's first child.
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Hubert Farnsworth said:
If it means something different than what it actually says, then what is the point of reading the bible at all if it is so convoluted?
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Another part in the bible says something similar about Enoch. Though he may now technically be dead, he did not experience the process of death, but was simply taken -not "tasting" death.

Christ actually said that he did not speak to be understood by all, anyway -a least not yet.

As it says, the word of God was "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little, that they might go, fall backward, be broken, snared and taken"

Add to that the fact that scripture is written in our languages -which are from an imperfect perspective -hence the need for a "pure" language later.
 
Bob the Unbeliever

Bob the Unbeliever

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RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
The JW's were pretty bad about trying to scare people with the end times back in the day. Their illustrations of cities burning and people being swallowed by earthquakes etc. The modern version of the end times are pretty much a reflection of reality. What it is now. But, you are right, the end times, according to the Bible, began with the birth of Adam and Eve's first child.
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Well, yeah--- and the bible's claims about "Adam and Eve" have been thoroughly debunked as impossible.

There is no genetic bottle-neck at the correct time-and-place, that's the strongest proof Eden never took place.
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Bob the Unbeliever said:
Well, yeah--- and the bible's claims about "Adam and Eve" have been thoroughly debunked as impossible.

There is no genetic bottle-neck at the correct time-and-place, that's the strongest proof Eden never took place.
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If that's what you want to believe, you do you and I'll do me. I don't agree with that, but who cares, eh?
 
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