Can gays or bisexuals be Christian?

[Unveiled Artist]

It's not a question of choice. The Bible condemns homosexuality, along with adultery, pederasty, catamites, bestiality, drunkenness, drug use, lying, stealing, murdering, kidnapping, witchcraft, sorcery, astrology, and things of that nature. If you like doing those things, and I used to like doing a number of them, then in order to follow Christ, to gain the possibility to live forever in paradise Earth as Adam was intended to do, without sickness, disease, or old age. Violence, crime, etc. Then you have to stop doing all of those things.

If anyone tells you different, they are wrong, I'm afraid, no matter how wonderful it may sound. I don't say this to be mean, I don't say this because I'm homophobic. I say it because the Bible makes it clear. You have to decide which is more important. Those things or following Jesus.

Here is a cap on this topic

1. LGBTQ Culture This refers to identity
These are not idenities based soley on attraction
These are not identities on sexual behavior
These are cultural terms defined differently by each person

2. LGBQ as individual letters medically define ones sexual orientation based on one's sex (homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual) female, make, or no identification of either or both genders or sex.

3. Homosexuality according to the bible: 1 Timothy 1:8-11

They are all not the same

1. People LGBTQ do not share sexual attractions (that is not what we have in common). Our values are not related to sex and gender but to the person regardless their sex and gender. The common thread is not attraction. Not all of us are homosexual.

2. Medically, L.G.B.T. refers to sexual attraction and gender identity only

3. Scripture profoundly states homosexuality is an action; something you do not someone you are (number 1) nor someone you are attracted to (number 2), but someone you choose to have sex with.

They are not all the same. The first two are not sins. The last one is.

A gay person can be christian (any person can be christian; their identity (1) and attraction (2) have nothing to do with it.)

Any person can have sex with anyone regardless their identity and attraction

But you cant be formerly one identity to another (1)

You cant be formerly attracted to one to another person's sex (2)

But you can be a former (practicing) homosexual (3)
The last is a sin according to scripture.

If you want to refer to sexual activity as sin, you can say same-sex sex, or homosexual behavior, though off but not 100% incorrect based on context.

But it is wrong factually to use the word homosexual or gay in a behavioral sense of the term. The bible does not relate the two....

So its wrong.

 

[stvdv]

Indeed you can. The bible is flexible enough, that really, so long as you are not having a relationship with someone who is already married? You're pretty good to go.

Those that claim otherwise, pretty much ignore most of the rest of the bible anyway-- so just ignore those people--- they think they have the right to tell everyone but themselves how to live.

Thanks Bob, you feel more Christian than the judgmental ones I read/hear. At least you are honest and use common sense IMO. Others are judging with Bible conveniently forgetting plucking out their eyes twisting verses according to their sex-fantasies. Arrogant hypocrites comes to mind. Blindly stoning others.

 

[stvdv]

I am a Christian, and I love Yeshua so much. If I could take a special pill to not be bisexual, I would. Why would I choose to be demonized by the three Abrahamic faiths.

All the Christians who once looked with lust in their eyes better not criticize LGBTX humans IMHO [before taking their own eyes out]. Now the 10 commandments. Take an easy one "I marry till death do us part". 50% divorce rate in churches. And then comes to mind "who is without sin throws the first stone".

Obvious nobody has the right to tell someone else what he should/not do, throwing stones at others. Get your own life straightened out. Stay out of my life.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I believe that amounts to the blind leading the blind.

If by blind, you mean anyone who exclusively tries to live by the bible? Absolutely!

However, I have found there are thoughtful people in the world, who correctly see the bible is merely a Journal or Writings, written by people most of whom were trying the best they could to live in a confusing world of ignorance.

And therefore, don't take anything it says too seriously, but rather see it as a kind of guide at best, and more of a "never let this happen to you" most of the time-- in that you don't want to repeat the more odious mistakes of the bible's authors.

Thinking Christians, if you will-- and yes, there are such people in the world. Many of whom I am honored to call friend.

They don't make it their Life's Work to Judge Everyone Else (but themselves). This is in direct contrast to many commentators herein, I might add, especially among the most Zealous bible-pushers....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Attraction to flesh is just that, flesh. Christ taught that the flesh profits nothing, and it's the spirit that makes you alive. John 6:63

Flesh is flesh. Male is flesh as well as female. The spirit (between two) is more important than the flesh. The flesh dies and rots. Be spiritual.

Just my thoughts.

Well, sure-- but where in your bible does it state that two spirits, regardless of which fleshy housing they happen to inhabit, cannot be in Love?

In some Native American Traditions, they saw gay people as being Of Two Spirits, and were therefore Blessed Individuals. These persons were celebrated, as having especially spiritual connections to the Spirit World.

Of course, these cultures were not poisoned by centuries of misogyny, so that might also have been in play (I'm directly contrasting to cultures based on Abrahamic traditions, where women are more or less, property of men. All very biblical, of course.)

My point? Is that if we look at the Sayings Of Jesus, he pushed over and over, the Two Commandments (or variations on that theme) Love God, and Love Your Neighbors.


Moreover, what's the first reaction Jesus has for supposed 'sinners' whenever they were pushing before him? He was quick to criticize those sitting in Judgement, correctly pointing out that they themselves were guilty of far worse things...


I would quite imagine Jesus as having no issue with gay couples-- so long as they loved each other, and treated each other in a truly Neighborly Way-- in the Tradition of Hebrew Hospitality. Something we see grossly missing from many modern examples of ahem... "Christianity"....

 

[Phantasman]

Well, sure-- but where in your bible does it state that two spirits, regardless of which fleshy housing they happen to inhabit, cannot be in Love?

In some Native American Traditions, they saw gay people as being Of Two Spirits, and were therefore Blessed Individuals. These persons were celebrated, as having especially spiritual connections to the Spirit World.

Of course, these cultures were not poisoned by centuries of misogyny, so that might also have been in play (I'm directly contrasting to cultures based on Abrahamic traditions, where women are more or less, property of men. All very biblical, of course.)

My point? Is that if we look at the Sayings Of Jesus, he pushed over and over, the Two Commandments (or variations on that theme) Love God, and Love Your Neighbors.


Moreover, what's the first reaction Jesus has for supposed 'sinners' whenever they were pushing before him? He was quick to criticize those sitting in Judgement, correctly pointing out that they themselves were guilty of far worse things...


I would quite imagine Jesus as having no issue with gay couples-- so long as they loved each other, and treated each other in a truly Neighborly Way-- in the Tradition of Hebrew Hospitality. Something we see grossly missing from many modern examples of ahem... "Christianity"....

First, I don't follow the Bible. That's for orthodox (catholic) believers. I follow the Gospels, (there are more than 4) and spiritual gnosis (Paul, Valetinus, Eugnostos, etc.)

When you drop the OT flesh god for the spiritual Father and Mother Jesus said he was a "son" of, you see that flesh is the cause of mans problems. The spirit was given to us to save us from the flesh, and it's carnal desires, and it's fate of dying, returning to dust.

Spirit is not as flesh, male/female, black/white, Jew/Gentiles, etc. Love is the key. The flesh doesn't love. So how can sex be love? When you leave the thinking of the "Hebrew Hospitality", you can see the Gnosis of Spirit. Sex will die with the body. The spirit of love will never die.

The catholic orthodox church (any church based on the Bible) cannot even control the Priests lust of flesh. How then can they teach control to others? It's because the church is flesh, not of Spirit (capital S).

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

First, I don't follow the Bible. That's for orthodox (catholic) believers. I follow the Gospels, (there are more than 4) and spiritual gnosis (Paul, Valetinus, Eugnostos, etc.)

When you drop the OT flesh god for the spiritual Father and Mother Jesus said he was a "son" of, you see that flesh is the cause of mans problems. The spirit was given to us to save us from the flesh, and it's carnal desires, and it's fate of dying, returning to dust.

Spirit is not as flesh, male/female, black/white, Jew/Gentiles, etc. Love is the key. The flesh doesn't love. So how can sex be love? When you leave the thinking of the "Hebrew Hospitality", you can see the Gnosis of Spirit. Sex will die with the body. The spirit of love will never die.

The catholic orthodox church (any church based on the Bible) cannot even control the Priests lust of flesh. How then can they teach control to others? It's because the church is flesh, not of Spirit (capital S).

Well, sure... if you wish to live like a monk or a hermit, alone in a cave or something.

Life is way too short to waste on such things, IMO. Share. Take BIG bites! Budget dessert first. Take the occasional risk. Advice I first heard from Robert Heinlein, and I think it's still Excellent even today.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Gay Christian 101 - Affirming God's glorious gospel good news for all LGBTs. Click the preceeding link for proof of the affirmative answer I support. I am a Christian, and I love Yeshua so much. If I could take a special pill to not be bisexual, I would. Why would I choose to be demonized by the three Abrahamic faiths.

Of course they can. The fact that they engage in what some people foolishly call sinful activity doesn't mean they can't be Christians. According the the bible EVERYONE engages in sinful activities and that's the reason they need to be saved by Christ. If being completely free of sin was a prerequisite to being a Christian, NO ONE would qualify.

 

[InChrist]

So I have to be alone and miserable? That is your opinion. It is better to marry than to burn with passion. I love Yeshua, and both genders.

There is a difference between love and lust.
I don't understand how anyone who loves Yeshua and knows His love on a daily basis can possibly feel alone or miserable.

 

[Skwim]

Then you have nothing to worry about, so long as you marry the opposite sex and don't commit adultery, or fornication or steal, murder, etc. Even if you were homosexual and did that, or abstained from homosexual sex. Or anal and oral sex with even the same sex marriage partner. These are unnatural uses of the creator's gift of reproduction. (Romans 1:18-27 1 Corinthians 5:1)

Where does the bible condemn oral sex?

And as far as anal sex goes, this is only a sin when committed between two men. A married man and women commit no sin when they engage in anal sex.

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[Bob the Unbeliever]

There is a difference between love and lust.
I don't understand how anyone who loves Yeshua and knows His love on a daily basis can possibly feel alone or miserable.

Yes, so? Do you know any happily married gay couples? Their love for each other can easily be as strong, and as profound as with any straight couple. In many cases? Far more so-- because of the cultural hurdles the gay couple must overcome to make it work. And they are literally surrounded by intrusive people who deliberately and with malice, go out of their way to try to make the couple as miserable as they are...

No, I'd wager that the majority of gay couples who have married, are likely far more happy, on average, than any random pick of any straight couple, anywhere.

 

[Phantasman]

Well, sure... if you wish to live like a monk or a hermit, alone in a cave or something.

Life is way too short to waste on such things, IMO. Share. Take BIG bites! Budget dessert first. Take the occasional risk. Advice I first heard from Robert Heinlein, and I think it's still Excellent even today.

Well, I don't live like a Monk. I enjoy many things in life. Left the big city for a mountain serene life in my retirement.

But I do go to the town and occasional big city to raise some hell, as well as beer and steamed clams at the beach raw bar.
I just see the separation of flesh and spirit, and the weaknesses and strengths of each. The playful flesh is weak, which is why understanding grace is important. My love for a spiritual Father doesn't mean to be a stick in the mud.

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

There is a difference between love and lust.
I don't understand how anyone who loves Yeshua and knows His love on a daily basis can possibly feel alone or miserable.

How do I stop? I have tried everything, and while IU like men better, I still have temptations. I am open to what you have to say and willing to be proven wrong. To prove I am bought by Yeshua: Yeshua is Lord, and God has raised Him from the dead. I support the Sola Scriptura, and love to learn.

 

[Mox]

No. You don’t. You can love and marry whom you wish and be perfectly fine spiritually.

Yup.
Live for this life, it's most probably the only one you get.
Don't live your life in fear, don't live your life pretending to be someone you are not, don't live your life for the sake of others, to conform to their expectation or pander to their irrational prejudices.

Life is a gift, not to be squandered.

Living a loveless life, is no life.

It's YOUR life. Yours. Remember that friends.

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

Jesus said that those who hunger and thirst for righteousness are blessed. If you can prove that Jesus wants to changed me, I will submit to Him. I love Jesus more than I love myself, and my neighbor as myself. I want Jesus to direct and be the Lord of and Love of my life, and He is, I just need clarification.

 

[Mox]

How do I stop? I have tried everything, and while IU like men better, I still have temptations. I am open to what you have to say and willing to be proven wrong.

Just stop you right there...

Fancying men/women, is NORMAL, ok? Whatever gender you are. It's natural, it's fine. There are sound evolutionary principles, very tedious wont go into em, for homosexuality, and its not just limited to humans. Homosexuals and bisexuals have been around ever since humans were humans, they have been our mothers and our fathers, since the dawn of time....

You are not dirty, or possessed, there is nothing wrong with your morality or your mind.

Sorry to go on.

Alrighty?

 

[InChrist]

How do I stop? I have tried everything, and while IU like men better, I still have temptations. I am open to what you have to say and willing to be proven wrong. To prove I am bought by Yeshua: Yeshua is Lord, and God has raised Him from the dead. I support the Sola Scriptura, and love to learn.

I am not trying to come across as if I think everything is simple or easy or that you will not have temptations. Every believer faces temptations in various areas...some may be very difficult ones. I don't have all the answers for you, but I know beyond a doubt that Jesus does. My neighbor has struggled with homosexual feelings/temptations for his whole life, yet he is a believer and is happily married, loves his wife and children and has mentored other Christian men who struggle as he has. While he has had temptation in his thoughts he has never acted upon these since being saved. With the Lord it is possible, that doesn't mean it is easy, but I think God uses different ways in everyone's life to help us realize that He is and can be our ALL Sufficient. There are ministries out there which help with this issue you face. I will pray for you and that you will grow to love Yeshua more than anything in this life.

 

[sojourner]

How do I stop? I have tried everything, and while IU like men better, I still have temptations. I am open to what you have to say and willing to be proven wrong. To prove I am bought by Yeshua: Yeshua is Lord, and God has raised Him from the dead. I support the Sola Scriptura, and love to learn.

You don’t need to stop being who you are. You don’t need to try to stop loving who you love.

 

[sojourner]

I am not trying to come across as if I think everything is simple or easy or that you will not have temptations. Every believer faces temptations in various areas...some may be very difficult ones. I don't have all the answers for you, but I know beyond a doubt that Jesus does. My neighbor has struggled with homosexual feelings/temptations for his whole life, yet he is a believer and is happily married, loves his wife and children and has mentored other Christian men who struggle as he has. While he has had temptation in his thoughts he has never acted upon these since being saved. With the Lord it is possible, that doesn't mean it is easy, but I think God uses different ways in everyone's life to help us realize that He is and can be our ALL Sufficient. There are ministries out there which help with this issue you face. I will pray for you and that you will grow to love Yeshua more than anything in this life.

I fervently hope you’re not talking about “conversion therapy.” It’s been proven to be ineffective and damaging.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I fervently hope you’re not talking about “conversion therapy.” It’s been proven to be ineffective and damaging.

When it comes to sexuality a coin with heads or tails is not a good analogy. A spectrum is more apt, though people do seem to be concentrated at the ends of it. The few people "cured" by conversion therapy were probably somewhere in the middle.