The Insignificance of Gilgamesh

[Earthling]

If you read an article in Time magazine about some event and then later read a more detailed account in another article by another publisher it wouldn't indicate that the event didn't occur or that the later publication copied from the first. It's that simple.

Edited By Author To Add: By insignificant I mean in relation to the authenticity or historicity of the Bible.

 

[von bek]

Why do you consider Gilgamesh insignificant?

 

[von bek]

I think I follow now. You mean insignificant in relation to the accuracy of the the biblical account.

 

[Earthling]

I think I follow now. You mean insignificant in relation to the accuracy of the the biblical account.

Yes, the authenticity or historicity I would have said rather than accuracy, but yes, you get the picture. I should have clarified that from the start, thanks for pointing it out.

 

[von bek]

No problem.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you read an article in Time magazine about some event and then later read a more detailed account in another article by another publisher it wouldn't indicate that the event didn't occur or that the later publication copied from the first. It's that simple.

Edited By Author To Add: By insignificant I mean in relation to the authenticity or historicity of the Bible.

You probably misread it and should have linked it. The Noah story was copied from the Epics of Gilgamesh, not the other way around. And the Gilgamesh story was a reworking of an even older one. Perhaps it was this article that you were talking about:

Before Noah: Myths of the Flood Are Far Older Than the Bible

At any rate there are countless reasons that we know that there was no worldwide flood.

 

[Estro Felino]

Abraham was from Ur...this clearly says that all the first chapters of the Genesis describe a mythology that originated in Mesopotamia.

 

[Earthling]

You probably misread it and should have linked it. The Noah story was copied from the Epics of Gilgamesh, not the other way around. And the Gilgamesh story was a reworking of an even older one. Perhaps it was this article that you were talking about:

Before Noah: Myths of the Flood Are Far Older Than the Bible

At any rate there are countless reasons that we know that there was no worldwide flood.

You misunderstood my point, apparently not as simple as I thought. I wasn't referencing an article on the flood, I was pointing out that Gilgamesh having preceded the writing of the Bible is no indication that the Bible copied the account of the flood by comparing it to reading two different articles in two different publications of an event today.

Moses' didn't start writing the Bible until long after the scattering at Babel which the flood preceded so naturally the story would have been circulating before then. That doesn't mean Moses' account copied Gilgamesh, since they are not exactly similar.

 

[Earthling]

Abraham was from Ur...this clearly says that all the first chapters of the Genesis describe a mythology that originated in Mesopotamia.

That doesn't hold up very well. There are many commonalities in myths and legends, especially when they originate in the same area, I suppose, but the Pentateuch differs substantially from those.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You misunderstood my point, apparently not as simple as I thought. I wasn't referencing an article on the flood, I was pointing out that Gilgamesh having preceded the writing of the Bible is no indication that the Bible copied the account of the flood by comparing it to reading two different articles in two different publications of an event today.

Moses' didn't start writing the Bible until long after the scattering at Babel which the flood preceded so naturally the story would have been circulating before then. That doesn't mean Moses' account copied Gilgamesh, since they are not exactly similar.

Moses was merely another mythical character in the Bible, and the tower of Babel is another myth.

 

[Earthling]

Moses was merely another mythical character in the Bible, and the tower of Babel is another myth.

According to who? If you, explain, please.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I was pointing out that Gilgamesh having preceded the writing of the Bible is no indication that the Bible copied the account of the flood

Copied? No its not copied. Its written precisely against the values in Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh would hate Noah. Just read Gilgamesh and you will be thankful you live in a better time and civilization.

 

[Subduction Zone]

According to who? If you, explain, please.

According to anyone that has seriously studied the subjects.

 

[Earthling]

Copied? No its not copied. Its written precisely against the values in Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh would hate Noah. Just read Gilgamesh and you will be thankful you live in a better time and civilization.

Why not the earlier Ziusudra which more closely parallels Noah? And how would, say, the video games God of War and Grand Theft Auto compare to those on a scale of civilization.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Why not the earlier Ziusudra which more closely parallels Noah? And how would, say, the video games God of War and Grand Theft Auto compare to those on a scale of civilization.

I don't think grand theft auto represents us, but gilgamesh does represent that civilization.

 

[von bek]

I don't think grand theft auto represents us,

I hope you're right. I fear you're wrong, but I digress.

 

[Earthling]

According to anyone that has seriously studied the subjects.

New Pangea, Gondwanaland Laurasia. A warmer climate with fewer and lower mountains, riverbeds in ocean floors, seashells in mountain ranges, mammoths stuck in ice with grass in their mouths and stomachs . . .

 

[Earthling]

I don't think grand theft auto represents us, but gilgamesh does represent that civilization.

I'm not so sure in either case.

 

[ChristineM]

According to anyone that has seriously studied the subjects.

New Pangea, Gondwanaland Laurasia. A warmer climate with fewer and lower mountains, riverbeds in ocean floors, seashells in mountain ranges, math moths stuck in ice with grass in their mouths and stomachs . . .

He said seriously

 

[Subduction Zone]

New Pangea, Gondwanaland Laurasia. A warmer climate with fewer and lower mountains, riverbeds in ocean floors, seashells in mountain ranges, math moths stuck in ice with grass in their mouths and stomachs . . .

I can see by this response that you have no education at all in the sciences and are willing to listen to lying sources.

Pangaea, please note spelling, began to break up about 200 million years ago. It has nothing to do with the Noah's Ark flood myth. Laurasia and Gondwana broke up about 25 million years later, they have nothing to do with the myth either.

Yes, climates have changed over the ages. And no, Mammoths have not been found with "grass in their mouths". Grass stuck between their teeth, yes, but they did not tend to brush between meals.

If you want to be taken seriously you should see if you can support any of this with valid sources. Well you don't need valid sources for Pangaea etc., but they don't help your claims at any rate.