WV Teachers to strike on Monday

[Phantasman]

It continues into the eighth day. Screw education for kids, where's my raise. Should have been done before school started, not more than halfway into the school year.

West Virginia teachers will strike for 8th day - CNN

So instead of a 4% rate hike, they are striking for 5%. Guess the tax cuts weren't enough. What makes them think 4% isn't fair, when WV is 49th in the country for education? (Only Mississippi is worse)

The 10 most and least educated states in 2018

Being rewarded even for failing seems to be the new norm.

 

[SomeRandom]

Meh, the article seems to side with the teachers, claiming an appalling wage in comparison to the national average. I'd probably strike too.

 

[Sunstone]

I eagerly await your condemning rant against the quite hefty pay raises corporate executives give themselves nearly every year. By the way, would Jesus pee on the little people and not criticize the powerful? Please enlighten me!

 

[sun rise]

I eagerly await your condemning rant against the quite hefty pay raises corporate executives give themselves nearly every year. By the way, would Jesus pee on the little people and not criticize the powerful? Please enlighten me!

After all, serfs should be grateful for bread and water. And why should their betters have to deliver what they promised? Promises are for little people. The rulers can do whatever they want to those that don't matter.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Pay should equal performance.

Perform better, get better pay. Perform worse, get less pay.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It continues into the eighth day. Screw education for kids, where's my raise. Should have been done before school started, not more than halfway into the school year.

West Virginia teachers will strike for 8th day - CNN

So instead of a 4% rate hike, they are striking for 5%. Guess the tax cuts weren't enough. What makes them think 4% isn't fair, when WV is 49th in the country for education? (Only Mississippi is worse)

The 10 most and least educated states in 2018

Being rewarded even for failing seems to be the new norm.

Yeah! Who do these teachers think they are? Asking for fair wages? They should PAY for the privilege of looking after my lovely angel! But now they're striking I have to find something to do with the grubby little thug!

 

[Revoltingest]

Pay should equal performance.

Perform better, get better pay. Perform worse, get less pay.

That could be an unstable model if not tempered with some flexibility.
Individual teachers can't affect statewide statistics. Reward them on
that sole basis, & the better ones might leave. And with a lower cost
of living, it wouldn't be useful to pay on par with high cost areas.
It looks complicated to find that optimal middle ground.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

There are several good reasons for teachers to go on strike. They probably chose the school year to do it to put pressure on lawmakers because they know they wouldn't be listened to otherwise.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Public School Ranking by State

Overall Rank
(1 = Best)

State

Total Score

‘Quality’ Rank

‘Safety’ Rank

1 Massachusetts 78.16 1 1
2 New Jersey 66.92 2 15
3 New Hampshire 64.65 4 14
4 Wisconsin 64.25 6 7
5 Vermont 64.09 5 11
6 Virginia 63.77 8 8
7 Minnesota 62.68 7 18
8 Connecticut 61.31 3 33
9 Iowa 61.06 11 9
10 Maine 59.93 16 4
11 Illinois 58.32 9 21
12 Delaware 58.09 29 2
13 North Carolina 57.68 27 6
14 Colorado 56.28 15 20
15 Kansas 56.24 23 16
16 Pennsylvania 56.10 28 10
17 Utah 55.95 24 17
18 Oklahoma 55.22 37 3
19 Maryland 54.79 10 35
20 North Dakota 54.67 17 23
21 Florida 54.02 31 12
22 Indiana 54.00 14 27
23 Ohio 53.51 22 24
24 Washington 53.36 26 5
25 Rhode Island 52.96 21 28
26 New York 52.52 20 32
27 Kentucky 51.58 13 41
28 California 51.45 39 13
29 Montana 51.40 19 37
30 Nebraska 51.22 12 44
31 Missouri 50.94 25 36
32 Michigan 50.55 30 26
33 Wyoming 50.40 18 42
34 Texas 49.15 33 29
35 South Carolina 48.58 40 22
36 Idaho 47.44 38 31
37 South Dakota 47.40 34 39
38 Georgia 47.32 36 38
39 Hawaii 47.23 43 19
40 Nevada 40.99 45 34
41 Arizona 40.91 48 25
42 Tennessee 40.58 35 49
43 Oregon 40.38 41 48
44 Alabama 39.06 42 46
45 Alaska 38.20 47 43
46 Arkansas 37.97 32 50
47 Mississippi 35.99 49 45
48 District of Columbia 35.85 50 30
49 West Virginia 35.42 46 47
50 New Mexico 34.79 51 40
51 Louisiana 27.42 44 51

2017’s States with the Best & Worst School Systems

 

[Phantasman]

Yeah! Who do these teachers think they are? Asking for fair wages? They should PAY for the privilege of looking after my lovely angel! But now they're striking I have to find something to do with the grubby little thug!

Yeah. They should be paid what the teachers in NJ get. They being #1 and WV being #49. No sense in incentives anymore. Everyone gets a trophy, so why try to be better? Let's blame it on location. Yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Public School Ranking by State

Overall Rank
(1 = Best)

State

Total Score

‘Quality’ Rank

‘Safety’ Rank

1 Massachusetts 78.16 1 1
2 New Jersey 66.92 2 15
3 New Hampshire 64.65 4 14
4 Wisconsin 64.25 6 7
5 Vermont 64.09 5 11
6 Virginia 63.77 8 8
7 Minnesota 62.68 7 18
8 Connecticut 61.31 3 33
9 Iowa 61.06 11 9
10 Maine 59.93 16 4
11 Illinois 58.32 9 21
12 Delaware 58.09 29 2
13 North Carolina 57.68 27 6
14 Colorado 56.28 15 20
15 Kansas 56.24 23 16
16 Pennsylvania 56.10 28 10
17 Utah 55.95 24 17
18 Oklahoma 55.22 37 3
19 Maryland 54.79 10 35
20 North Dakota 54.67 17 23
21 Florida 54.02 31 12
22 Indiana 54.00 14 27
23 Ohio 53.51 22 24
24 Washington 53.36 26 5
25 Rhode Island 52.96 21 28
26 New York 52.52 20 32
27 Kentucky 51.58 13 41
28 California 51.45 39 13
29 Montana 51.40 19 37
30 Nebraska 51.22 12 44
31 Missouri 50.94 25 36
32 Michigan 50.55 30 26
33 Wyoming 50.40 18 42
34 Texas 49.15 33 29
35 South Carolina 48.58 40 22
36 Idaho 47.44 38 31
37 South Dakota 47.40 34 39
38 Georgia 47.32 36 38
39 Hawaii 47.23 43 19
40 Nevada 40.99 45 34
41 Arizona 40.91 48 25
42 Tennessee 40.58 35 49
43 Oregon 40.38 41 48
44 Alabama 39.06 42 46
45 Alaska 38.20 47 43
46 Arkansas 37.97 32 50
47 Mississippi 35.99 49 45
48 District of Columbia 35.85 50 30
49 West Virginia 35.42 46 47
50 New Mexico 34.79 51 40
51 Louisiana 27.42 44 51

2017’s States with the Best & Worst School Systems

And not adequately paying teachers is the way to fix this?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Yeah. They should be paid what the teachers in NJ get. They being #1 and WV being #49. No sense in incentives anymore. Everyone gets a trophy, so why try to be better? Let's blame it on location. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Familiar with the phrase "pay peanuts, get monkeys"? If you want your education system to improve, underpaying staff is unlikely to fix it. You know how a "brain drain" works? Encouraging the best teachers to move to where they can get better salaries, while the worse teachers have to stay where salaries are low because they have no better option is unlikely to fix your education system either.

No, just throwing money at a problem doesn't fix things, but punitive underfunding certainly doesn't.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Everyone gets a trophy

Like white supremacists getting monuments honoring a war that took place over the right of states to let citizens own other human beings?

 

[Phantasman]

Familiar with the phrase "pay peanuts, get monkeys"? If you want your education system to improve, underpaying staff is unlikely to fix it. You know how a "brain drain" works? Encouraging the best teachers to move to where they can get better salaries, while the worse teachers have to stay where salaries are low because they have no better option is unlikely to fix your education system either.

No, just throwing money at a problem doesn't fix things, but punitive underfunding certainly doesn't.

You may want to brush up on Matthew 25.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That could be an unstable model if not tempered with some flexibility.
Individual teachers can't affect statewide statistics. Reward them on
that sole basis, & the better ones might leave. And with a lower cost
of living, it wouldn't be useful to pay on par with high cost areas.
It looks complicated.

It is. However it would be better to examine reasons why West Virginia is doing so badly rather than throwing more taxpayer money at teachers while watching academic scores go down the drain. Somebody is responsible.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

You may want to brush up on Matthew 25.

You may want to brush up on making relevant responses that actually address points people make.

Was there anything specific in my post you disagree with?

 

[Revoltingest]

It is. However it would be better to examine reasons why West Virginia is doing so badly rather than throwing more taxpayer money at teachers while watching academic scores go down the drain. Somebody is responsible.

Teacher pay & performance could be separate issues.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It is. However it would be better to examine reasons why West Virginia is doing so badly rather than throwing more taxpayer money at teachers while watching academic scores go down the drain. Somebody is responsible.

Is it possible to examine reasons why West Virginia is doing badly while ALSO paying teachers a fair wage?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Meh, the article seems to side with the teachers, claiming an appalling wage in comparison to the national average. I'd probably strike too.

You have to take the cost of living into consideration too before thinking the grass is somewhat greener (or browner) in other places.

 

[Phantasman]

Like white supremacists getting monuments to a war over the right of states to own other human beings?

You must be foreign. It was much greater than that. Slaves were just a small part. It was about states rights.

I find it humorous how the Civil War is seen lately. The slaves were given homes, food and clothing in exchange for labor. It was a Democratic idea. Today, the Democrats want them to have homes, food and clothing in exchange for their votes.

I'm not into slavery in any (physical or mental) form. I commend those who took freedom and ran with it. Not those who wish to be controlled by others.

Just a perception.