How are these Great Beings explained?

[Vinayaka]

How old is Hinduism? 10,000 years old?

Why so long to make the change?

I know you are not a sacred scripture based faith like the Abrahamics, but do you have anything that is clearly pro woman priests and gay marriage?

How about if I looked for sacred Hindu texts that definitively was against homosexuality or female priests? Would I find any?

Yes, look up the Manu Smrti. It's horrible, and a few people still abide by it. My comment was that as in a dsingle human life, the longer you do something, the harder it is to change. Same principle as 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks' . Hinduism has been doing many things the same way for many years. You've read the Tirukkural quotes I occasionally pop in. Tiruvalluvar's stuff on anger or ahimsa is as relevant today as it was 2200 years ago.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Do you also use alcohol for valium withdrawal?

Is this a trick catch 22 question?

It usually takes a good 2 - 4 weeks to develop dependence on benzodiazepine medications like valium so as long as we prescribe for short periods like we do for alcohol withdrawal there shouldn't be any problem with valium dependence.

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes we can only Convey the Message, the best way to do this has been noted on this thread many times, it is by living a Life in tune with the Message.

You're not living your life here, Tony. Your life is landscaping in Normanton. I don't think Baha'u'llah intended for the Baha'i' to be as condescending towards other faiths as I've heard on here. But then again, perhaps he did. Some of that stuff is just echoing what he or his two main descendants said.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I suspected you wouldn't understand it. The double standard is always difficult to understand. I believe that there are teachings within Baha'i' that are irrelevant as well, but to disallow an entire religion for it's adherents because it's irrelevant is how I interpreted the original statement.

Maybe in the next life, I get to be a Buddhist or Hindu, so not so blind.

 

[Vinayaka]

No. The post was specifically to refute a comment made by another that completely misrepresented by my Faith. You can relate to that, can't you?

Not really. We all distort. Nobody is immune.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I suspected you wouldn't understand it. The double standard is always difficult to understand. I believe that there are teachings within Baha'i' that are irrelevant as well, but to disallow an entire religion for it's adherents because it's irrelevant is how I interpreted the original statement.

Not really. We all distort. Nobody is immune.

So this is where we go back to the Great Beings, what did they say about the subject.

Pick One Subject and we can give it a Go.

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

Yes, look up the Manu Smrti. It's horrible, and a few people still abide by it. My comment was that as in a dsingle human life, the longer you do something, the harder it is to change. Same principle as 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks' . Hinduism has been doing many things the same way for many years. You've read the Tirukkural quotes I occasionally pop in. Tiruvalluvar's stuff on anger or ahimsa is as relevant today as it was 2200 years ago.

That's my point. You have teachings in your Faith that are timeless, and others that are contradictory and pasted their used by date.

 

[Vinayaka]

[QUOTE="adrian009, post: 5386326, member: 54290"
Then we have the matter of religious diversity in Hinduism, that the Baha'is accept, though understandably struggle to comprehend as Hinduism is by most people's admission very complex.[/QUOTE]

Not complex at all once you narrow it down. Taken as a whole sure, but so is Abrahamism, which is a fair comparison in terms of diversity. Any single Christian Church most likely isn't that complex.

 

[Vinayaka]

So this is where we go back to the Great Beings, what did they say about the subject.

Pick One Subject and we can give it a Go.

The subject really hasnt changed much, has it?

 

[Vinayaka]

That's my point. You have teachings in your Faith that are timeless, and others that are contradictory and pasted their used by date.

Which Hindu beliefs do you know about that are past their relevancy, according to you? I'm curious.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Not complex at all once you narrow it down. Taken as a whole sure, but so is Abrahamism, which is a fair comparison in terms of diversity. Any single Christian Church most likely isn't that complex.

I think its what we are familiar with. You have lived and breathed Hinduism so its much easier. I have lived and breathed Christianity and the Baha'i faith so that's relatively easy for me. I think its quite a lot of work to properly understand another religion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You're not living your life here, Tony. Your life is landscaping in Normanton. I don't think Baha'u'llah intended for the Baha'i' to be as condescending towards other faiths as I've heard on here. But then again, perhaps he did. Some of that stuff is just echoing what he or his two main descendants said.

Sorry do not see in that Post any relevance to what was offered.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Is this a trick catch 22 question?

It usually takes a good 2 - 4 weeks to develop dependence on benzodiazepine medications like valium so as long as we prescribe for short periods like we do for alcohol withdrawal there shouldn't be any problem with valium dependence.

Thank goodness. My mother and many of the women of her generation were hooked. I am too, but not the really heavy stuff. I would risk grand mal seizures if I went off it now.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Which Hindu beliefs do you know about that are past their relevancy, according to you? I'm curious.

No it is not according to us, this is what we are saying.

You ask for an example - Reincarnation is one of those. Though personally if we explored this subject I think we can find much relevance in aspects of it.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The subject really hasnt changed much, has it?

No the offer is always lets talk about what the Great Beings Said.

But you are still here, you still probe and ask, thus maybe your heart does want to find all the Great Beings, what do you think?

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

Which Hindu beliefs do you know about that are past their relevancy, according to you? I'm curious.

I was reflecting on the contrasting teachings you had referred to.

I am in no position to provide a meaningful analysis or criticism of your religion.

I'm happy to defend the Baha'i Faith though if you wish to elaborate further on all these contradictions.

But I have to run now. I'm on call and have to do a home visit.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I agree that that most religious adherents see their religions as totally relevant for them. I would argue that, within each faith, their are universal teachings applicable to any age.

I love to interrupt I think I see the misunderstanding between you two here.

Example: Let's take Jesus's resurrection as a literal event.

Of course, both of you say that the this teaching is relevant to Christians for this time period. Pagan religions date way older than Christianity, and to them, their religion is relevant for today. Any religious teaching in the past can be relevant for today.

That's not what @Vinayaka is saying (unless he corrects me)

The fact is jesus resurrection is not dependent on Bahai and Christian views. Both parties cannot validate whether or not jesus actually resurrected. You need time travel for that not a battle of the fingers.

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To simplify your above quote. You are saying,

1. Bahaullah provided to humanity god's message for today

2. We don't hold other religions on high regard, though clearly not as relevant today



If other religious messages such as Jesus' resurrection is not relevant for today, then millions of christians are in fact believing in an incorrect message. The only message that is correct for today is the one Bahaullah received from god.

Is this true?

 

[Dawnofhope]

I love to interrupt I think I see the misunderstanding between you two here.

The irony of a woman stepping in to sort out the men with their arguments and egos!

The world in the past has been ruled by force and man has dominated over woman by reason of his more forceful and aggressive qualities both of body and mind. But the scales are already shifting, force is losing its weight, and mental alertness, intuition, and the spiritual qualities of love and service, in which woman is strong, are gaining ascendancy. Hence the new age will be an age less masculine and more permeated with the feminine ideals, or, to speak more exactly, will be an age in which the masculine and feminine elements of civilization will be more properly balanced.

Equality of Men and Women: A New Reality

Example: Let's take Jesus's resurrection as a literal event.

Of course, both of you say that the this teaching is relevant to Christians for this time period. Pagan religions date way older than Christianity, and to them, their religion is relevant for today. Any religious teaching in the past can be relevant for today.

That's not what @Vinayaka is saying (unless he corrects me)

The fact is jesus resurrection is not dependent on Bahai and Christian views. Both parties cannot validate whether or not jesus actually resurrected. You need time travel for that not a battle of the fingers.

To simplify your above quote. You are saying,

1. Bahaullah provided to humanity god's message for today

2. We don't hold other religions on high regard, though clearly not as relevant today



If other religious messages such as Jesus' resurrection is not relevant for today, then millions of christians are in fact believing in an incorrect message. The only message that is correct for today is the one Bahaullah received from god.

Is this true?

I think you may have meant to write:

We do hold other religions in high regard, though clearly not as relevant as today

Is that right? Is so I agree with you.

I've just had a minor epiphany, so thank you.

Baha'is, especially those from a Christian background such as myself revere Christ and His teachings, and see all the Manifestations of God as equal though with a different message for a different age. That's when the school analogy helps. So you have a progression from Judaism, Christianity, and then Baha'i. The Grade 1, Grade 2, and grade 3 teachers are all equal but they teach similar but different teachings because of the differing capacity of the children. Grade 3 builds on grade 2 which builds on grade 1. Its just an analogy and if we start bringing Krishna into the picture it doesn't work and that's fine.

The problem is, to Christians and Jews, the Baha'i Faith is extremely insulting and disrespectful. First we say the Baha'i Faith represents a progression on these two religions, so that means we're better. Second, we appear to either remove, change, or distort core teachings of their faith. It is like gutting a fish! The Baha'is say, we believe all these things about Christ you believe in, but sorry, there is no resurrection, no Jesus as God incarnate, and no exclusive salvation through Christ. Then the Baha'is have the audacity to effectively say we have the true Teachings of Christ, and you Christians have got it wrong.

Same deal for Hindus when we say, we love and respect your religion, but this business with reincarnation and moksha, you're wrong about that.

So the Baha'is unwittingly, with their enthusiasm for their religion, have become this massive thorn in the side for Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, pagans...everyone!!!!!!!



Is that right!?

 

[Dawnofhope]

Thank goodness. My mother and many of the women of her generation were hooked. I am too, but not the really heavy stuff. I would risk grand mal seizures if I went off it now.

My mother was too, and so much more. But then she needed to be. Valium isn't a first choice for preventing seizures, but I can see how it could be in some instances.

 

[Vinayaka]

I think its what we are familiar with. You have lived and breathed Hinduism so its much easier. I have lived and breathed Christianity and the Baha'i faith so that's relatively easy for me. I think its quite a lot of work to properly understand another religion.

Still depends on complexity of said religions. Easier to understand Baha'i' than it is to understand Hinduism. Lots of seekers turn away from the research when they encounter Hinduism, often because they see it as a single religion due to misleading or incomplete analysis.

I was reflecting on the contrasting teachings you had referred to.
I am in no position to provide a meaningful analysis or criticism of your religion.

So you say much of it is irrelevant for today's age, but then you have nothing specific? If you can't think of anything that's irrelevant, then how would you know there is stuff?

My mother was too, and so much more. But then she needed to be. Valium isn't a first choice for preventing seizures, but I can see how it could be in some instances.

Seizures is a possible side effect of withdrawal that the doctor didn't tell me about when she put me on the meds. So now I'm stuck with it, but t's all good. Over the long haul it's fine. Lots of people live with medications.