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Las Vegas Shooting
- Thread starter Onyx
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For DC and Chicago, you have your causation backward: their gun laws are a response to high murder rates, not the other way around. You wouldn't say that a medicine causes illness just because you see sick people taking it, would you?
Also:
- none of the gun laws in the US are that strict, even in these cities.
- a single city would be fighting an uphill battle when you can freely - and legally - buy a gun just outside the city limits. Gun control really has to be implemented on a national basis to be effective.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
True, but it I doubt the Vegas shooter would've gotten the same body count had he a bow instead of an assault rifle.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So you wouldn't have any qualms if your neighbor manufactured bombs in his garage?
That's where you're wrong.
We can't get the murder rate to zero, but without guns, fewer people kill. The country-by-country stats bear this out.
This is as asinine as saying that being for strict vehicular licensing and safety regulation, both in user competency and restrictions on unsafe vehicles, has nothing to do with the person behind the wheel.
Of course gun regulation is for the people, not the guns.
Yes, I knew that, but it wasn't at all misleading. You assume too much.
It still doesn't explain countries like Russia, Brazil, and Mexico. They have strict national gun laws with much higher murder rates.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's not entirely true. Maybe on the short term, but not on the long term.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Only if they are fireworks.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
There have been masses, literally masses of shootings in US schools during the last 17 years. These shootings caused the murders of 233 adults and children.
I could only count the deaths, the injury list was huge as well. The gun nuts will never stop arguing, even after the people have voted for change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
I could only count the deaths, the injury list was huge as well. The gun nuts will never stop arguing, even after the people have voted for change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
A tiny country of less than 5,000 has a massive per capita murder rate because of a single murder, and this is supposed to mean their gun control laws aren't effective? Yes, this is misleading.
Do you think those laws are properly enforced?
Edit: interestingly, Mexico's suicide rate is less than half of the USA's.
World suicide rates by country
No, on both the short and long term: restricting availability of firearms, particularly so-called "defensive" weapons like handguns, lowers no only the rate of firearm deaths, but also the overall murder and suicide rates.
Argue that your guns are worth the cost if you want - that's a value judgement. But don't argue that there's no cost.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Speaking about Brazil...
Penguin is correct. There are millions of illegal guns in Brazil.
We can agree to disagree on this.
I am not privy to the law enforcement strategies of those countries. Do you think such laws can be properly enforced in the US?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Another shocking stat:....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
Mass shootings:
There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
Mass shootings:
There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Another shocking stat:.......................
The USA suffers an averahe of 36 gun-homicides every day.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide].
36.5 deaths per day.
The USA suffers an averahe of 36 gun-homicides every day.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide].
36.5 deaths per day.
I think your police forces can be as capable as those in Canada if you put your minds to it.