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Why did God tempt Adam and Eve?

Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16 ►
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16 ►
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?
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Your questions, IMV, are very confusing.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
Why confusing
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Well... some seem to be questions and some seem to be judgment calls and its all heaped into one post.

Are you really asking? Was it just an unloading moment?

So, its confusing to know just what you want and just where you want to start. :)
 
Jeremiah Ames

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
It all seems quite illogical to me.
I guess the story tells us that Adam and Eve could not experience good or evil until eating this particular food.
This appears to not be a real problem however, except for the fact that they would eventually die.
What really seems to have worried God was that they might eat fruit from a second tree, and then live forever. (Genesis 3:22-24) So, eating the first fruit makes them die, and eating the second would make them live. So God banishes them to a world where they would surely die, because he feared they would eat from the second tree.
So, go figure. I wouldn't mind if someone could explain it all logically.

Also
Prior to eating from the tree of knowledge, Adam and Eve would not know good or evil. Therefore, how could they possibly know that it is a bad thing to eat from a certain tree? How could they know it is a bad thing to disobey what God said? They have no concept of bad or good.
 
Grandliseur

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
PopeADope said:
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16 ►
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?
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The fact is that all indications in scripture demonstrates that God does not fix future events. His 'omniscience' extends to the past and the now. Future events he may make come to be by power and planning, and like us who studies the heaven who can predict solar eclipses, he can do things like that million of years in advance.

Since A&E had plenty of food, this was not a difficult test, but demonstrated their obedience, their accepting being under God's theocracy, and satan knew this to be so. Thus satan's reason for getting Eve to disobey was to get mankind out from under God's theocracy and under his 'do what you feel like, what you will' type of rule -- kill anyone you like, fornicate, and commit any kind of immorality, all kinds of wickedness are good - this is what satan peddles, and what many today praise as the progressive new way of life, 'do what you want, it is all OK' kind of life.
But, it is not OK.

If you look at the news, you will see satan in every evil thing going on on earth. Why do we fight so many wars instead of joining hands and utilize the resources by sharing what the earth has? Why don't we use the military's funds for the poor, for cleaning up our plastic mess in the oceans, for helping the fish, the coral reefs to survive and thrive - our way is satanic. Look at how much one bomb, missile, submarine cost. How much would just one such F-35 cost be? "Currently the plane is at $109.88 million apiece." How much would some of these hurricane islands love this kind of help! Send the military in, forget NK, and use the money to rebuild strongly, create societies for man, not for war.
 
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Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
KenS said:
Well... some seem to be questions and some seem to be judgment calls and its all heaped into one post.

Are you really asking? Was it just an unloading moment?

So, its confusing to know just what you want and just where you want to start. :)
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I want to know why God gave them a test he knew they would fail and punish us for it?
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
He gave them a test they knew they would fail and punished us for it. Why?
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The myth was twisted to justify the imperfect Creation, the violent natural world, and sinful nature of humans with the myth of 'Original Sin' and the Fall.
 
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David1967

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16 ►
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?
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If you can answer that, you should write a book and share the knowledge. :)
 
Logos11

Logos11

New Member
Interesting questions, well, for my input, i'd say firstly we must understand that, Isaiah 55:9 says, "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Paul himself also graciously stated, "His ways are past finding out" David and Paul also both agreed that, "They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways." So from this, it can be established that God has a way, and a method in which he goes about accomplishing things and man must become as children, and ready to learn of his ways. But these questions are not hopeless, as Paul said, "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:" So this wisdom and these answers to the ways of God were ordained to us, before the world. Now as for the answers to the question, based on the holy canon of scripture, I would say that it is a divine method and authority of God to make himself known through trials, sin and sickness. As the great apostle once said, "That I may know him in the fellowship of his sufferings" "Trials worketh patience and patience experience, and experience hope, and hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts. and also statements like, "My strength is made perfect in weakness" "His grace is sufficient for me" So how would we understand grace and righteousness if never experiencing unrighteousness, condemnation and weakness? And how could we ever fellowship with the Creator, without the wisdom that can only be gained through experience. Darkness is simply a method that we may comprehend light...
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16 ►
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?
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IMO, it seems to predate the idea that God is omniscient (or even that God is the only god), so I don't think it was originally intended that God knew ahead of time that they would fail the test.

As for us still suffering from God's punishment: of course. That's the whole point of the story: the Genesis account isn't actually about the creation of the world; it's a "just-so" story intended to establish the importance of humanity and why we are the way we are. This becomes especially obvious when we recognize that the characters' names are literally "Man" and "Woman" in the original language: they're meant as archetypes, not as literal people.

Etiology - Wikipedia

Edit: the people who wrote those stories were trying to find meaning in their lives, where men worked the fields and women endured pain in childbirth, so the story had to end with these things being explained for the people who suffered through them (i.e. everybody).
 
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