The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Honestly, on that same hand it's not illegal to be a Nazi either. So these Antifa thugs are just as unconstitutional.
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Honestly, on that same hand it's not illegal to be a Nazi either. So these Antifa thugs are just as unconstitutional.
No, they're not the same thing.
Incorrect; a communist running for office isn't inherently treasonous nor criminal.
Now that we have learned Antifa has been officially declared a domestic terrorist group by the DHS, and considering the fact they are openly a communist organization. What will be done about them?
Article 50 U.S. Code 842, communist have forfeited their rights when they actively seek to overthrow the government, which they are attempting now as we speak.
Also what do to with Antifa sympathizers/apologist?
Honestly, on that same hand it's not illegal to be a Nazi either. So these Antifa thugs are just as unconstitutional.
Not unconstitutional. You do realize that people do not have a right to be violent to others or destroy private property right? Someone can be a communist in theory, talk about communist theories etc. (Tehehe communist l.a.r.pers..ahem) Thats all covered under free speech. But the minute one runs for office, commits violence, or tries to overthrow the current government/potus, that person is a treasonous criminal and should be treated as such.
Sorry but that is incorrect. The law i stated does make it criminal for a communist to run for office. Steve Bannon is not a communist.
Politico did say that in the article. Also Newsweek confirmed that it did here: The feds reportedly have formally classified antifa activities as “domestic terrorist violence” "The FBI and DHS were reportedly unwilling to elaborate on any of this to Politico, given the materials the publication obtained were never supposed to be publicly disclosed."I did read the article. No where did it mention antifa being a domestic terrorist organization by the DHS. Don't be embarrassed to show your source.
Honestly, on that same hand it's not illegal to be a Nazi either. So these Antifa thugs are just as unconstitutional.
Of course violence is illegal, but what does that have to do with identifying or organizing as communists?
It's infringing on their First Amendment rights. The ironic thing about the "Antifa" crowd is that they behave in such a manner that is pretty fascist itself. I understand all too well what a tough line it is to walk, but there's opposing fascism and standing up to it, and then there's stamping out opposing views and even accusing others who disagree with you as being "Nazis" or "Nazi sympathizers" and demonizing them as well. The later is very strongly behaviors exhibited by the "Antifa" crowd.How exactly is standing up to fascism unconstitutional?
Of course the gobment doesn't like any sort of anarchy talk or criminal activity, as they shouldn't. Is that what your saying this "group" does?As I said they are within their freedom of speech to identify as such, so long as they do not attempt to organize or run for office. Even if they peacefully run for office it is still illegal according to the law.
The Communist Control Act (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is a piece of United States federal legislation, signed into law by President Dwight Eisenhower on 24 August 1954, which outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in, or support for the Party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.
Using the protection of the constitution in order to overthrow the govt/constitution is not going to happen. Which is why this was signed into law.
Of course the gobment doesn't like any sort of anarchy talk or criminal activity, as they shouldn't. Is that what your saying this "group" does?
As I said they are within their freedom of speech to identify as such, so long as they do not attempt to organize or run for office. Even if they peacefully run for office it is still illegal according to the law.
The Communist Control Act (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is a piece of United States federal legislation, signed into law by President Dwight Eisenhower on 24 August 1954, which outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in, or support for the Party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.
Using the protection of the constitution in order to overthrow the govt/constitution is not going to happen. Which is why this was signed into law.
I don't know much about the cpusa, but I don't think they're trying to overthrow anything, but rather are trying to be a legitimate political party.
It's infringing on their First Amendment rights.
The ironic thing about the "Antifa" crowd is that they behave in such a manner that is pretty fascist itself. I understand all too well what a tough line it is to walk, but there's opposing fascism and standing up to it, and then there's stamping out opposing views and even accusing others who disagree with you as being "Nazis" or "Nazi sympathizers" and demonizing them as well. The later is very strongly behaviors exhibited by the "Antifa" crowd.
It's not the same. The antifa movement is recent in the US. It's anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, etc. You know, things most people are in favor of.What precisely do you think Antifa is if not an AFA group? What makes you think this?
Those are definitely fighting words. Feds don't even need that much.Which is something they openly admit, "by any means necessary" in their own words.
Specifically it states that no law will be made to abridge the right to free speech. That's the legality of it, but the intent is unabridged freedom of speech. What "Antifa" groups are doing endangers this in that they're taking it upon themselves to socially and financially ruin whomever they deem to be a Nazi - whether they are or not - and effectively abridge their speech. What happens when Antifa decides to ramp it up and go for another group, then another? Anyone who doesn't fit their social view gets either the gag or the sack.The First Amendment only protects speech against government actions.
Yes, they are intolerant. But there is a reason, that being the sole fact that our ideologies are tolerated, no matter who might disagree with them. Everyone is intolerant of something in their views, but ideas remain just that; when action is taken - depending on the action - then there's a problem. It's like Mr. Garrison from South Park said: "Look, just because you have to tolerate something doesn’t mean you have to approve of it. If you had to like it it’d be called the Museum of Acceptance. Tolerate means you’re just putting up with it. You tolerate a crying child sitting next to you on the airplane or you tolerate a bad cold. It can still **** you off--Jesus tapdancing Christ!”There's no reason to extend tolerance to ideologies like racial supremacism or Christian exceptionalism as they are themselves inherently intolerant.
Well, given the list of demands for white people issued by a BLM organizer, Chennelle Helm, the arguments that they're not racist are growing thin.How many of the people here who deplore Antifa's actions would be so quick to condemn violence used to limit the spread or influence of Islamism, for instance? Or if you want a more pertinent example, how many of the people here who deplore Antifa's actions would be so quick to condemn violence used against Black Lives Matter who are, according to some, racist?
Way to contradict your first statement directly with your second.Communist Control Act of 1954 - Wikipedia
Actually yes it is. Once they gather to commit political violence and/or overthrow the government Article 50 U.S Code 842 otherwise known as the Communist Control act of 1954 kicks in. Which is where we stand today. Why this law has not been strictly enforced yet, I cannot say. But I believe with the increasingly violent outburst, it will be very soon.
Way to contradict your first statement directly with your second.