Unveiled Artist
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Let me ask. Why Krishna and not Vishnu?
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How are these Great Beings explained?
- Thread starter loverofhumanity
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Let me ask. Why Krishna and not Vishnu?
Yes I know what Baha'i's believe. It is belief. Do you know what belief is? Hint ... it;s not the same as a fact.
I do not believe that God only spoke to the Baha'i'. That is a very different belief I have than you. I believe there are many beliefs, and they are all valid according to the evolution of the individuals with that belief.
Let's look at Baha'u'llah's son's words on reincarnation. He is saying he is right, and all the Hindus and many other faiths are wrong, because he stated it is a false belief. False? Do you understand what false means? It means wrong, incorrect, a gross misunderstanding. He also states it as a matter of fact, not as a matter of belief. As do the adherents of Baha'i' on here, with perhaps one exception.
Hindus, on the other hand simply state that the beliefs are DIFFERENT. We're not saying the Baha'i' belief is false. We're merely pointing out that the two religions, and by extension, the two paradigms are DIFFERENT. Some people need dogma. Other people don't.
Same for Krishna. We're simply saying that your interpretation of Krishna is different than our (not me personally, but the Vaishnavite) interpretation. Personally, I see a huge difference (there's that word again, lol) in this perspective. By saying that beliefs are different it is still really tolerant. But by saying that another religion's belief is false is clearly intolerant, if not insulting.
I'm seeing a pattern here. It's a good pattern too. Whenever the tough questions come up, where there is really no logical refutation of an argument, it is either totally ignored, or you just go back to the basic platitudes of your prophet. It's a good thing in it really speaks to, "In times of distress, seek the comforting words of your prophet' Hey, if it works for you, go for it. My questions will remained unanswered, and that's fine with me, lol.
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It's because someone in error told them the 'bible' of Hinduism is the Baghavad Gita.
InvestigateTruth
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Bahai Scriptures does not necessarily reject Vishnu or Shiva. In principle says, God have been called with different names, in different times, among different people.
For example, among Muslims, God is called Allah. Among Christians Yahowah.
But it does reject reincarnation, right?
InvestigateTruth
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No!!!
Baha'i Scriptures confirms Hell, Heaven, Resurrection, Day of Judgement, Reincarnation, Rebirth, Return, Cycles, Trinity, Resurrection of Jesus, Satan, evil, Miracles of Jesus, such as curing blind, Miracles of Moses, such as dividing the River, and Miracles of other Manifestations, angels, transforming Animals to human, Transforming humans to animals...etc.
It only rejects literal interpretations of these concepts. It says, the Prophets, Manifestations, inspired people, whenever they were speaking of these things, they were speaking Symbolically, Not literally. Thus, in Bahai View, all are true, and originated from God, however, they must be interpreted symbolically.
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InvestigateTruth
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Not only, Abdulbaha said these. He also said, it is false to say there are multiple Gods. According to Him, it is even false to say literally God is One.
"The reality of the Divinity is sanctified above singleness, then how much more above plurality."
- Abdulbaha
Because Krishna is said to be the eight Avatar of Vishnu Who is described in the Bhagavad Gita as returning from age to age to reestablish the principles of religion and destroy wickedness.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Word salad. First prove the existence of divinity.
InvestigateTruth
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Would this make it more clear:
"Know thou of a certainty that the Unseen can in no wise incarnate His Essence and reveal it unto men. He is, and hath ever been, immensely exalted beyond all that can either be recounted or perceived. From His retreat of glory His voice is ever proclaiming: “Verily, I am God; there is none other God besides Me, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. I have manifested Myself unto men, and have sent down Him Who is the Day Spring of the signs of My Revelation. Through Him I have caused all creation to testify that there is none other God except Him, the Incomparable, the All-Informed, the All-Wise.” He Who is everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men can never be known except through His Manifestation, and His Manifestation can adduce no greater proof of the truth of His Mission than the proof of His own Person."
- Bahaullah
The logic is that we refer any question to the All Knowing God. And we accept what He says because we respect His authority as God. He is All Knowing, we are not.
We love God and therefore cherish His Guidance and do not regard our own views and opinions but follow what guidance God has given us instead.
God can only convey to us through His Teachers was is true or not and then He leaves us to choose our own way.
"We should take the Baha'i Revelation as including Abdul-Baha too as He was appointed by Baha'u'llah Who knew whatever Bahaullah meant and He explained proofs and reasons of the impossibility of reincarnation." from loverofhumanity
Talk about disagreeing with yourselves, lol. Don't worry, it's all good.
You didn't get my point, so I'll reiterate it.
There is a very big difference between saying another religion's belief is false, versus saying another religion's belief is different from yours. I'm fine with differences.
InvestigateTruth
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I am sure @loverofhumanity means impossibility of literal incarnation.
Yes this is the Baha'i' belief. It's the same as the Christian's belief, or the Islamic belief, in that everyone in Abrahamism knows that God spoke to them, and to them alone. Too bad God doesn't say the same thing to everyone, eh?
In Hinduism, God wouldn't speak to people, because He's not separate from them, so there would be no need. Very different paradigms.
No, he was quoting Baha'u'llah's son.
InvestigateTruth
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In my view, God cares about humanity, and He tells them the true understanding of Religion, and at the same time, informs us of false beliefs. I cannot tell people, that their beliefs are wrong. I am not God.
But you do. Or at least Baha'u'llah's son did. Does that mean that Baha'u'llah's son is also God? You have me confused now.
That's my view of Siva as well. Not just cares about, but loves. But with Siva it's unconditional, for everyone, regardless of all the other stuff, like believing in prophets or not.