Akivah
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So what? You think the US is a kufir nation. So why are our crime statistics relevant to what Muhammad did?
Also, neither Christianity nor Judaism support adults having sex with children.
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For those who think that prophet Mohammad was a pedophile
- Thread starter FearGod
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So what? You think the US is a kufir nation. So why are our crime statistics relevant to what Muhammad did?
Also, neither Christianity nor Judaism support adults having sex with children.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
My rational thinking is to read what Muslims and the Quran have to say about the event. From the sources that I've read, there are millions of Muslims that believe Muhammad married Aisha when she was six or seven, and consummated the marriage when she was nine or ten. Their belief is based on the majority of traditional hadith sources. I see that there are also millions of Muslims that believe Aisha's age at consummation with your prophet was higher, anywhere from 12 to 21.
The issue of Aisha's age at consummation with Muhammad seems to been of interest to Muslims since the beginning of your religion. So it seems irrational to label kufir that believe in Aisha's traditionally stated age as idiots, when sages within your own religion have been making that conclusion for centuries.
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Sakeenah
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Muhammad: A prophet of our time
By Karen Amstrong (British author and commentator known for her books on comparative religion)
Muhammad: A Prophet for Our Time: Karen Armstrong: 9780739482636: Amazon.com: Books
Thank you Sakeenah very much. I bought a copy for my iPad. Please always feel most welcome here.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
The so called Mohammad wasn't perfect just as any other so called prophets isn't perfect, no one but God is perfect, the perfection of God may shine through these so called prophets, but the prophets themselves are not perfect, for they are flesh, so no, Mohammad wasn't perfect.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Lack of comprehension, let me make it easier for you.
First i didn't mean America but the modern ethics, and where did I mention
anything about Judaism or Christianity and who told you that Islam support
sex with children, are you crazy?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The historical life of the prophet and his first love with a widow of age 40 is a prove
that those who believe about prophet Mohammad being a pedophile are idiots,
I didn't say Atheists, Christians or any believers but I mean whoever believe this crap
seems to me to be an idiot.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
The truth does hurt doesn't it ?.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Which truth, the story of the prophet loving a widow of age 40 and living with her
till she died.
Why do think it hurt?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
So the old prophet never had a another relationship after the old girl ?.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
All of his wives were widows except Aisha, the purpose of marriage wasn't for sex,
the fact is that girls were available in the era of the jahiliyya, they can have sex
with many girls as they wish with no limits as the case of today in some countries
where underage girls offer sex to the guys for free.
So the prophet can normally start his life with an underage girl and live with her
than marrying an old woman, it's only you that think about sex and you think that
the others have only sex in their minds, that's sick.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
So the old prophet did like sex, and yet you wish for virgins in heaven lol.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The prophet when was asked about what will be in heaven, he said it's a place that no eye has ever seen and no ear has ever heard about, so talking about virgins is stupid indeed because actually
no one know what the paradise will be other than to be known as an amazing place to live in for eternal.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Well you fooled me, most Muslims like to think better than you.
Shad
Veteran Member
This example is why this type of post-hoc psychoanalysis fails. People are conditioned by culture, and other factors, to see the world and people in a certain way. This does not mean they have the clinical definition of pedophilia. However your point does turn in your hand as it shows a shared influence namely undeveloped biological and medical knowledge for all involved.. This is fine for people that do not claim to be prophets of God as they have no ability to know better instantly. However a prophet has a direct connection to God, and vice-versa, yet does not know better nor is corrected.
This of course is based on accepting ahadith as reliable. If accepted your point damages your case far more than helps. If rejected then everyone is on the same boat fumbling our way until better information is discovered.
I'm trying to figure out what your argument is. As far as I can tell, it's one of these:
- Muhammad had sex with mature women, so he couldn't have had sex with a child.
- Muhammad was obviously attracted to mature women, so even if he had sex with a child, he wasn't a pedophile, since a pedophile is someone who is attracted to children.
Do I understand you right? If not, what are you trying to argue?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
About what you're trying to say, or about Muhammad?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
About the prophet's marriage to Aisha.
I think that many Muslims believe that the marriage was consummated when Aisha was 9 years old. Whether this is true... I don't know. I don't necessarily even have reason to believe that Aisha must have existed.
I see the question of Aisha's age more as a litmus test for modern Muslims than I see it as a historical question: regardless of how old she actually was, there are people - i.e. many Muslims today - who believe that an adult man can have sex with a 9-year-old girl and still be a moral example.