For those who think that prophet Mohammad was a pedophile

[Augustus]

As you can see at Aisha - Wikipedia

it is not really disputed that one of Muhammad's wives was well underage. At least, neither Shia nor Sunni dispute it.

To doubt it would essentially mean to believe that early companions of Muhammad decided to slander him while he was still alive. That, of course, sounds almost completely unbelievable.

It wouldn't be slander though, as there was nothing abnormal about it at the time. It's only in the past century that people have seen it as controversial.

Seeing as she was to become a very controversial figure in the Sunni/Shia rivalry, and there was an episode where Muhammad had to deal with rumours of her infidelity, it is possible that her age was lowered to prove her chastity at the time of marriage and prolong her time spent in the company of Muhammad and thus improve her status

It is also worth considering that the same sources you are trusting for this information are the same sources that had him splitting the moon in 2 and flying around on a winged donkey. Both of these are considered to be hadith of the highest possible level of authenticity, which is always worth bearing in mind when judging everything else.

Hadith and sirah are theology not history, and much of it was invented by medieval jurists centuries later to justify rulings and explain parts of the Quran that they didn't understand.

 

[mojtaba]

What you are saying is true, @FearGod for the most part, that is, as far as we know. According to Arabic lore Muhammad was definitely married to Khadija for a very long time and seemed to thrive in his role as her husband. As noted however, at 50... at FIFTY years old ... he decided to take a child for his wife. That IS troubling. He had daughters who were older... Curiously, all his other wives he married after Aisha were not considered children by those who wrote their histories about Muhammad. That singular fact makes me believe she was very young.

"The majority of traditional hadith sources state that Aisha was married to Muhammad at the age of six or seven, but she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, or ten according to Ibn Hisham,[11] when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina.[12][13][14] This timeline has been challenged by a number of scholars in modern times." <Source>

It is a lie that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny) married with Aisha when she was at the age of 6 or 7.

See this page: How old was Aesha when she married the Messenger of God, peace be upon him and his pure progeny

Also, the marriage of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny) with her had political reasons.

 

[Deathbydefault]

You said that the prophet if not a pedophile because he married an old woman then
he maybe a fetish person, so I asked you how a fetish person lives with one woman
for 25 years and both love each others, a scientific and a smart reply please

I didn't say that he wasn't a pedophile.
I did say that is possible for a person to have more that a single fetish, such as being attracted to both women much older and much younger than them.

I also gave an example of how people have the ability to hide their fetishes for many years, or even until death.
A man may be married to a woman who is into S&M and never find that out their whole life.
An older woman may be married to a man that would enjoy sex with a child around the age of 10, but never know it.
It happens, there are tons of examples that you have access to through the device you are using to read this post.

As far as love goes, who knows? It's entirely possible he didn't actually love her, or that he had the ability to love multiple women.
Love works in different ways with different people, this is an observable truth.

 

[psychoslice]

It is a lie that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny) married with Aisha when she was at the age of 6 or 7.

See this page: How old was Aesha when she married the Messenger of God, peace be upon him and his pure progeny

Also, the marriage of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny) with her had political reasons.

Excuse ?.

 

[mojtaba]

Excuse ?.

What do you mean. Please elaborate.

 

[psychoslice]

It personally gets on my goat when religions of whatever, all argue that their prophets, god-men, gods, are the best, better than all other belief systems, the Christians, the Jews, and of course the Muslims all do it, its just out right silly to me, please all grow up.

 

[psychoslice]

What do you mean. Please elaborate.

I think you are defending your prophet, and of course you would, just like any religious belief system.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Even Jesus never said he was perfect, he said that the father was but he never said he himself was.

“The station of Christ was that of absolute perfection.”

That is the Bahá'í view and the same for all the Manifestations of God.

 

[psychoslice]

“The station of Christ was that of absolute perfection.”

That is the Bahá'í view and the same for all the Manifestations of God.

No he was not as a man, he was as the Christ, and we are all that also, that is when we realize our true divinity, we are in truth the carnal self, that is our ignorance, this is my truth reveled to me.

 

[FearGod]

I didn't say that he wasn't a pedophile.
I did say that is possible for a person to have more that a single fetish, such as being attracted to both women much older and much younger than them.

I also gave an example of how people have the ability to hide their fetishes for many years, or even until death.
A man may be married to a woman who is into S&M and never find that out their whole life.
An older woman may be married to a man that would enjoy sex with a child around the age of 10, but never know it.
It happens, there are tons of examples that you have access to through the device you are using to read this post.

As far as love goes, who knows? It's entirely possible he didn't actually love her, or that he had the ability to love multiple women.
Love works in different ways with different people, this is an observable truth.

Lets see the exact definition for pedophilia and fetishism, then please explain what your evidence
that the prophet can be both or one.

Pedophilia

Pedophilia is considered a paraphilia, an "abnormal or unnatural attraction." Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with prepubescent children. Pedophiles are usually men, and can be attracted to either or both sexes. How well they relate to adults of the opposite sex varies.

Perpetrators often delude themselves into viewing their actions as helpful to children. They might tell themselves they are contributing to a child's development or that the child is enjoying the act; however, they do tell their victims not to alert their parents or authorities.
for more reading Pedophilia | Psychology Today

fetishism

The term "fetishism" was coined in the late 1800s. It originates from the Portuguese word feitico, which means "obsessive fascination". There is a degree of fetishistic arousal in most normal individuals who find particular bodily features attractive. However, fetishistic arousal is generally considered a problem when it interferes with normal sexual or social functioning and where sexual arousal is impossible without the fetish object.

Fetishism is characterized as a disorder when there is a pathological assignment of sexual fixation, fantasies or behaviors toward an inanimate object -- frequently an item of clothing -- such as underclothing or a high-heeled shoe -- or to nongenital body parts -- such as the foot. Only through use of this object can the individual obtain sexual gratification. The fetishist usually holds, rubs or smells the fetish object for sexual gratification or asks their partner to wear the object during sexual encounters. Fetishism is a more common occurrence in males, and the causes are not clearly known. Fetishism falls under the general category of paraphilias, abnormal or unnatural sexual attractions.
.Fore more reading Fetishism | Psychology Today

 

[mojtaba]

I think you are defending your prophet, and of course you would, just like any religious belief system.

I said the historical facts. You are free to call it whatever you like.

 

[FearGod]

It personally gets on my goat when religions of whatever, all argue that their prophets, god-men, gods, are the best, better than all other belief systems, the Christians, the Jews, and of course the Muslims all do it, its just out right silly to me, please all grow up.

You're annoyed with it but we aren't.

So to that [religion of Allah ] invite, [O Muhammad], and remain on a right course as you are commanded and do not follow their inclinations but say, "I have believed in what Allah has revealed of the Qur'an, and I have been commanded to do justice among you. Allah is our Lord and your Lord. For us are our deeds, and for you your deeds. There is no [need for] argument between us and you. Allah will bring us together, and to Him is the [final] destination."(42:15)

 

[Deathbydefault]

Pedophilia

Pedophilia is considered a paraphilia, an "abnormal or unnatural attraction." Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with prepubescent children. Pedophiles are usually men, and can be attracted to either or both sexes. How well they relate to adults of the opposite sex varies.

Perpetrators often delude themselves into viewing their actions as helpful to children. They might tell themselves they are contributing to a child's development or that the child is enjoying the act; however, they do tell their victims not to alert their parents or authorities.
for more reading Pedophilia | Psychology Today

I didn't say that he was a pedo either, just that I don't care since I dislike him nonetheless.

Lets see the exact definition for pedophilia and fetishism, then please explain what your evidence
that the prophet can be both or one.

My evidence is human psychology, my examples can be found on any porn website that lists categories.

fetishism

The term "fetishism" was coined in the late 1800s. It originates from the Portuguese word feitico, which means "obsessive fascination". There is a degree of fetishistic arousal in most normal individuals who find particular bodily features attractive. However, fetishistic arousal is generally considered a problem when it interferes with normal sexual or social functioning and where sexual arousal is impossible without the fetish object.

Fetishism is characterized as a disorder when there is a pathological assignment of sexual fixation, fantasies or behaviors toward an inanimate object -- frequently an item of clothing -- such as underclothing or a high-heeled shoe -- or to nongenital body parts -- such as the foot. Only through use of this object can the individual obtain sexual gratification. The fetishist usually holds, rubs or smells the fetish object for sexual gratification or asks their partner to wear the object during sexual encounters. Fetishism is a more common occurrence in males, and the causes are not clearly known. Fetishism falls under the general category of paraphilias, abnormal or unnatural sexual attractions.
.Fore more reading Fetishism | Psychology Today

Since "fetish" isn't going anywhere, let me use "sexual fixation" instead.
They mean the same thing to me in usage, but perhaps it will help you understand what I am trying to explain a bit better.

People can have various sexual fixations, such as being attracted to young and old people.
Or like getting peed on, but that's a realm best not traveled through.

 

[Notanumber]

Because they can't see, I mean if they think it right then a pedophile won't choose a woman 15 years
older than him and to live with her for 25 years, so to think that such person was a pedophile is
kind of a stupid thinking.

He married her because of her wealth and power, but probably got sick of her dominating him all the time.

When Allah stepped in all this started to change and so did the attitude towards women and girls.

This is why Islam dominates women and girls.

 

[FearGod]

I didn't say that he was a pedo either, just that I don't care since I dislike him nonetheless.



My evidence is human psychology, my examples can be found on any porn website that lists categories.



Since "fetish" isn't going anywhere, let me use "sexual fixation" instead.
They mean the same thing to me in usage, but perhaps it will help you understand what I am trying to explain a bit better.

People can have various sexual fixations, such as being attracted to young and old people.
Or like getting peed on, but that's a realm best not traveled through.

Thats prove my point for creating such a thread, thanks for helping me by coming in.

 

[FearGod]

He married her because of her wealth and power, but probably got sick of her dominating him all the time.

Does that make him a pedophile? go on please

 

[DeviChaaya]

Because they can't see, I mean if they think it right then a pedophile won't choose a woman 15 years
older than him and to live with her for 25 years, so to think that such person was a pedophile is
kind of a stupid thinking.

Just because Mohammed had other wives who were not children does not mean that he was not a paedophile. There are many paedophiles in the world today who are in relationships with people who are of an acceptable age. That doesn't stop them from harming children.

 

[FearGod]

Just because Mohammed had other wives who were not children does not mean that he was not a paedophile. There are many paedophiles in the world today who are in relationships with people who are of an acceptable age. That doesn't stop them from harming children.

And do you have stories that the prophet used to harm the children and raping them?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Because they can't see, I mean if they think it right then a pedophile won't choose a woman 15 years older than him and to live with her for 25 years, so to think that such person was a pedophile is
kind of a stupid thinking.

And his second wife, Sawda bint Zam'a was 30-35 when she married Mohammad who was 50 years old at that time. So, when his marriage with Aisha was consumed, he just went --. From that day, the older women were out and it was only young women.

 

[FearGod]

And his second wife, Sawda bint Zam'a was 30-35 when she married Mohammad who was 50 years old at that time. So, when his marriage with Aisha was consumed, he just went --. From that day, the older women were out and it was only young women.

And does that make him a pedophile?