It seems to me that some Christians on here do not understand Atheists

[Reggie Miller]

There is no evidence or rational argument that supports the claims of Christianity being anything more than mythology. I suppose you consider blind faith (basically willful ignorance and gullibility) as a virtue.

Why did the Jews and/or the Romans not drag Jesus' body through the streets of Jerusalem to prove He did not rise again? Answer: They didn't and couldn't because He did rise again and if He hadn't rose again they most certainly would have. End of argument.

 

[Flankerl]

10/10 logic right here

 

[JustWondering]

Lets say we paint a ping pong ball red for every possible value a universe must contain to create a universe than can support any conceivable type of life, and lets say we paint a ping pong ball black for every possible value a universe could have that would prohibit life. I do not how many red ping pong balls we would have but I will be generous and say a million, however the number of possible black ping pong balls is estimated according to string theory as 10^500th.

So we throw 1 million red balls and 10^500th black balls into a container. Now a person or machine picks random balls out of the container. Now to get a universe that can support life we must get a red ball on every attempt for thousand upon thousands of attempts in a row without getting a single black ball. If only red balls were selected out of the bin over thousands of attempts any human being ever born would think that some intentional and intelligent agent caused that turn of events. You on the other hand see than only red balls come out of the container and declare chance is the best conclusion. Absurd, I do not have enough faith to be an atheist.

If you are going to use something to support your argument it is helpful if you site the reputable source you got it from, such as where you specifically got the 10^500th power from. I found one for you, aren't I nice?

from: String theory - Wikipedia

"To construct models of particle physics based on string theory, physicists typically begin by specifying a shape for the extra dimensions of spacetime. Each of these different shapes corresponds to a different possible universe, or "vacuum state", with a different collection of particles and forces. String theory as it is currently understood has an enormous number of vacuum states, typically estimated to be around 10^500, and these might be sufficiently diverse to accommodate almost any phenomena that might be observed at low energies."

Now where are you getting the number that only a million universes could exist that support life?

Also, the different versions of string theory and M theory are not proven theories, why should I take the probabilities sited by an unproven theory seriously? Do you take arguments sited by the theories of evolution and abiogenesis seriously without good reason?

 

[JustWondering]

Why did the Jews and/or the Romans not drag Jesus' body through the streets of Jerusalem to prove He did not rise again? Answer: They didn't and couldn't because He did rise again and if He hadn't rose again they most certainly would have. End of argument.

Pontius Pilate - Wikipedia

According to CHRISTIANS, Pontius Pilate had no interest and wanted no responsibility for Jesus's execution. So by Christian logic why would the Romans care about any claims made after his death? By historical accounts, Pontius would have gladly killed Jesus and the crowd that wanted him executed as well. It's all just stories man. Let's say you hear stories from several witnesses that said they saw a scientologist named Bob walk on water, perform miracles and return from the dead (though they can't PROVE this, but his grave is empty, that's got to count for something right?) after being shot by the cops. This all happened a few decades ago and they have no proof but their testimony. They are also willing to defy the church of Scientology (the new religion Bob started is similar to Scientology but changed and added some things) and die for Bob and their new religion (let's call it Knowledgology). Would you convert to Knowledgology immediately? If not, why?

 

[Shad]

Why did the Jews and/or the Romans not drag Jesus' body through the streets of Jerusalem to prove He did not rise again? Answer: They didn't and couldn't because He did rise again and if He hadn't rose again they most certainly would have. End of argument.

Argument from ignorance; idea is true as no one has shown it to be false. You jumped straight to confirmation bias. You never even considered the Romans have no interesting in doing so. They didn't care about Jesus' claims. They didn't care what a minority within a minority thought. The body was stolen. They didn't know where the tomb was.

Your argument is hilarious as anyone can use it.

"UFO's and aliens exist as NASA has not bothered to refute my claim....." "Why didn't Christians refuted Muhammad? Since they didn't Islam must be true!"

See, son, at times people ignore claims as it wastes time debunking every crackpots that steps forward making grand claims with zero evidence.

 

[Shad]

Well, when you get rid of world hunger, war, poverty, disease and death I'll jump on your bandwagon. The Lord will give us all these things in time. Science never will.

I will become Christian when God gets off his *** to fulfill these "promises". Since this has not happened yet this must mean that the Christian God is inept thus not a God.

Yawn*

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Why did the Jews and/or the Romans not drag Jesus' body through the streets of Jerusalem to prove He did not rise again? Answer: They didn't and couldn't because He did rise again and if He hadn't rose again they most certainly would have. End of argument.

Or the followers removed or destroyed the body, or made up the entire story about the story of Jesus to begin with. (As in, attached a persecution that was never there to a person who was nothing like how they wrote him to be.)
Have any harder questions?

 

[Reggie Miller]

I will become Christian when God gets off his *** to fulfill these "promises". Since this has not happened yet this must mean that the Christian God is inept thus not a God.

Yawn*

You are severely mistaken, sir. Reread Revelation and you will see the prophecies in that book already happening. There is no promise of a rose garden before the return of Christ, not sure where you got that from.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Or the followers removed or destroyed the body, or made up the entire story about the story of Jesus to begin with. (As in, attached a persecution that was never there to a person who was nothing like how they wrote him to be.)
Have any harder questions?

Yeah, like 11 poor men overcame an entire elite Roman guard, pushed the stone away and removed the body. That's more fantastic than the resurrection itself considering the guards actually returned from the sepulchre and reported the body missing.

That explanation doesn't work. I've investigated it in great detail. The only plausible explanation is that Jesus rose from the dead. Any other explanation makes no sense. Them's the facts, bro.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Argument from ignorance; idea is true as no one has shown it to be false. You jumped straight to confirmation bias. You never even considered the Romans have no interesting in doing so. They didn't care about Jesus' claims. They didn't care what a minority within a minority thought. The body was stolen. They didn't know where the tomb was.

Your argument is hilarious as anyone can use it.

"UFO's and aliens exist as NASA has not bothered to refute my claim....." "Why didn't Christians refuted Muhammad? Since they didn't Islam must be true!"

See, son, at times people ignore claims as it wastes time debunking every crackpots that steps forward making grand claims with zero evidence.

You're wrong in your own Argument from Assumption. The fact that Jesus was crucified does indeed prove the Romans had great interest in His proclamation that He was indeed the King of the Jews. Hence, the placard on the cross indicating as much. To proclaim oneself king was treason. Yes, the Romans took treason very seriously as the cross itself indicates.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Pontius Pilate - Wikipedia

According to CHRISTIANS, Pontius Pilate had no interest and wanted no responsibility for Jesus's execution. So by Christian logic why would the Romans care about any claims made after his death? By historical accounts, Pontius would have gladly killed Jesus and the crowd that wanted him executed as well. It's all just stories man. Let's say you hear stories from several witnesses that said they saw a scientologist named Bob walk on water, perform miracles and return from the dead (though they can't PROVE this, but his grave is empty, that's got to count for something right?) after being shot by the cops. This all happened a few decades ago and they have no proof but their testimony. They are also willing to defy the church of Scientology (the new religion Bob started is similar to Scientology but changed and added some things) and die for Bob and their new religion (let's call it Knowledgology). Would you convert to Knowledgology immediately? If not, why?

Addressed above. Assuming that Pilate had no interest is absurd. Of course he did, else he wouldn't have crucified Jesus in the first place.

 

[SkepticX]

Why did the Jews and/or the Romans not drag Jesus' body through the streets of Jerusalem to prove He did not rise again? Answer: They didn't and couldn't because He did rise again and if He hadn't rose again they most certainly would have. End of argument.

End of argument is right, if you're trying to establish that you're a dogmatist. If you're trying to actually make the argument suggested though, you need a mulligan, because there's no actual argument in favor of the conclusion in that post. Or rather, the argument offered is non-sequitur--an argument from ignorance at best. If you take even a sober moment you shouldn't have any trouble at all coming up with at least a few of other reasons why no one allegedly dragged Jesus' body through the streets according to the Bible, and the way I presented that point gives you a few.

Try the same argument with different variables--see if it still seems so compelling if used to make an Islamic or Hindu or other religion's point. It's a good practice to develop, in order to save embarrassment if nothing else. Human brain owners really need to develop these kinds of tools to keep their brain from leading them astray. It's a flawed cognition machine to say the least. If you don't learn how to manage its issues you will go wrong--a lot. If you do learn to manage its issues you'll still go wrong, just less and more temporarily. Unchecked though, you're more than likely going to function in effective semi-sanity much of the time.

 

[Shad]

You're wrong in your own Argument from Assumption.

Nope. Are the masses being fed at this time? Nope, thus the promise is unfulfilled and useless. A promise which as existed for two thousand years and has made zero progress. Meanwhile science has increased food production to a massive scale that was impossible a few centuries ago.

So in the end we have a system that is increasing the amount of food globally that made no promises of doing so compared to a promise to do so and zero progress in centuries. Hilarious.

The fact that Jesus was crucified does indeed prove the Romans had great interest in His proclamation that He was indeed the King of the Jews.

No as according to the Bible it was the Jews that brought the kingship up not the Romans. Jesus was executed as a rebel not because of his claims of divinity.

Hence, the placard on the cross indicating as much.

Read your bible

To proclaim oneself king was treason. Yes, the Romans took treason very seriously as the cross itself indicates.

Yet they ignored this claim until the Priesthood brought up the point and made it a matter that must be resolved. The Romans didn't care enough to execute him as Pilot turned to the Jewish masses then washed his hands of the whole case. Read your bible

 

[Shad]

You are severely mistaken, sir. Reread Revelation and you will see the prophecies in that book already happening. There is no promise of a rose garden before the return of Christ, not sure where you got that from.

Subjective interpretation that has been made repeatedly by hundreds if not thousands of people yet nothing has happened yet. The reliability of such claims is not existent to the point that it is laughable.

I got that from you own comment. You made a comparison between the lack of accomplishment science never promised to make a promise made with no accomplishments. However as per my last comment science has solved a number of issue such as agricultural limitations of centuries ago. Hence why we can sustain billions now but couldn't even break the billion population mark a little over a century ago.

 

[Reggie Miller]

End of argument is right, if you're trying to establish that you're a dogmatist. If you're trying to actually make the argument suggested though, you need a mulligan, because there's no actual argument in favor of the conclusion in that post. Or rather, the argument offered is non-sequitur--an argument from ignorance at best. If you take even a sober moment you shouldn't have any trouble at all coming up with at least a few of other reasons why no one allegedly dragged Jesus' body through the streets according to the Bible, and the way I presented that point gives you a few.

Try the same argument with different variables--see if it still seems so compelling if used to make an Islamic or Hindu or other religion's point. It's a good practice to develop, in order to save embarrassment if nothing else. Human brain owners really need to develop these kinds of tools to keep their brain from leading them astray. It's a flawed cognition machine to say the least. If you don't learn how to manage its issues you will go wrong--a lot. If you do learn to manage its issues you'll still go wrong, just less and more temporarily. Unchecked though, you're more than likely going to function in effective semi-sanity much of the time.

My argument is fine exactly as posted. Thanks, anyway, though.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Subjective interpretation that has been made repeatedly by hundreds if not thousands of people yet nothing has happened yet. The reliability of such claims is not existent to the point that it is laughable.

I got that from you own comment. You made a comparison between the lack of accomplishment science never promised to make a promise made with no accomplishments. However as per my last comment science has solved a number of issue such as agricultural limitations of centuries ago. Hence why we can sustain billions now but couldn't even break the billion population mark a little over a century ago.

No disrespect intended but that post is just pure junk to me. You avoid my points entirely and avoid the issue concerning your incorrect assumptive post that I was responding to.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Nope. Are the masses being fed at this time? Nope, thus the promise is unfulfilled and useless. A promise which as existed for two thousand years and has made zero progress. Meanwhile science has increased food production to a massive scale that was impossible a few centuries ago.

So in the end we have a system that is increasing the amount of food globally that made no promises of doing so compared to a promise to do so and zero progress in centuries. Hilarious.



No as according to the Bible it was the Jews that brought the kingship up not the Romans. Jesus was executed as a rebel not because of his claims of divinity.



Read your bible



Yet they ignored this claim until the Priesthood brought up the point and made it a matter that must be resolved. The Romans didn't care enough to execute him as Pilot turned to the Jewish masses then washed his hands of the whole case. Read your bible

Hmm... Not sure what "bible" you're reading but if it is the same one I read, you got a completely incorrect understanding from nearly the whole 66 books.

 

[Shad]

Hmm... Not sure what "bible" you're reading but if it is the same one I read, you got a completely incorrect understanding from nearly the whole 66 books.

No I even referenced the verse before my comment. Read your Bible regarding Pilate washing his hands of the whole event. If Rome wanted to execute Jesus they wouldn't turn to the mob of a subjugated client kingdom that held no authority in Rome nor it's laws.

 

[Shad]

No disrespect intended but that post is just pure junk to me. You avoid my points entirely and avoid the issue concerning your incorrect assumptive post that I was responding to.

I do not need to address points which are subjective views rather than objective. Merely pointing out your claims are just as subjective as every other dooms day claim is enough. You said to read and look around for confirmation. I found no such confirmation thus your view is subjective. More so since you leave it up to me to find evidence you have acknowledged that your claim is completely subjective. You are just oblivious to this fact.

You still made an argument from ignorance and an argument from assertion, nothing more. There is no need to address points that are based on fallacious reasoning beyond pointing out the flaws in your reasoning.

 

[SkepticX]

Sorry Reggie ... didn't mean to join in on a pile-on there.