What is wrong with Islam?

[YmirGF]

When the person is just concerned to criticize Islam and using false stories and lies
as many do here and in the anti Islam sources which you and some others find it telling
the truth, not because it tells the truth but because you only blindly hate Islam.

It isn't so cut and dried as you would seem to like to believe, FearGod. The huge problem for critics of Islam is that there is no Islamic central authority and so no one group speaks for Islam. It is so bad that one has to ask if anyone can speak about Islam with any authority.

 

[Rival]

Because of wars, otherwise the Muslim world are much better than living in yours.

Apart from the part where I'd be, you know, beaten up for refusing to obey my husband.

 

[interminable]

Islam is also based on Abraham, Moses, and the other prophets of the Jews, and Jesus and the Apostle's as well. Everything you accuse Islam of equally applied to Christianized Europe. And not only was Europe like that, things like widespread literacy and domestic abuse laws are still fairly new concepts in Western culture thanks nearly two thousand years of Christian rule.

The problem is, while there is no mandate to convert, the Quran does instruct Muslims to kill infidels. According to the Quran I should be killed because I question and deny Allah. According to Christianity I should be killed for not wanting to Christ to reign over me. According to Judaism (well, not really, since they're the only ones who really don't give much of a crap about what others are doing and wouldn't claim their laws apply at all since I'm not Jewish - but Jesus made it clear these laws are still valid to his followers), I should be killed for not worshiping the god of my father, who is the same god of Abraham.
That's what happens when you follow the law of those books as they are written.

We have and are making better functioning societies. It's been a few hundred years since anyone in the West has been tried and executed as a witch. We are slowly granting more freedoms by booting religion out of the state. Today we can protest a state official. To do so when the Church ruled was to defy the very will of God himself, and was punished with horrible deaths from being slowly and brutally tortured. The Ottoman Caliphate was more sophisticated, and more intellectual than Christianized Europe by far, even fairly progressive for their time in allowing Christians and Jews to practice their religion and for the adoption of Greek philosophy, but they too had brutal cruelty, slavery, lack of women's rights, and to challenge the Sultan was to challenge the will of Allah.

Who told that u should be killed because u are not Muslim???????????????????????????????

In Islam if someone attack u or your family or your county u should defend and u aren't allowed to kill even unbelievers just for the hell of it

Even killing animals if they don't bother u is taboo

The isis that u see are very stupid and fool Muslims that actually aren't Muslim they interpret the quran according to their passions and do whatever they want

 

[interminable]

No. Muslims follow the Sunnah - they emulate Muhammad. Muhammad can in no way whatsoever be compared to Jesus.

Christianity teaches a man to love his wife as himself, not to hit her.
Christianity teaches love for one's enemies, Islam teaches war.
Christianity teaches that there is not Jew nor Gentile, slave nor free, man nor woman, for all are one in Christ Jesus; Islam says Muslims are the greatest of people raised for mankind and Jews and Christians are the worst of creatures.

The list goes on and on. You seem ignorant of Islam and think all the Abrahamic religions are all basically the same. They are not.

If these are your knowledge about Islam it's clear u know nothing about it

 

[Rival]

If these are your knowledge about Islam it's clear u know nothing about it

Prove me wrong.

 

[icehorse]

And which law that you don't like or disagree with Islam?

In my opinion, one of the closest things we have to an agreement by Muslims of what Islam means is the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam (CDHRI). This declaration was created by the OIC in 1990. Here's some of what I disagree with in the CDHRI:

- women don't have equal rights to men.
- sharia should be used as the world's legal system
- apostasy is a crime
- blasphemy is a crime
- politcal dissent is a crime

 

[Rival]

In my opinion, one of the closest things we have to an agreement by Muslims of what Islam means is the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam (CDHRI). This declaration was created by the OIC in 1990. Here's some of what I disagree with in the CDHRI:

- women don't have equal rights to men.
- sharia should be used as the world's legal system
- apostasy is a crime
- blasphemy is a crime
- politcal dissent is a crime

Basically not being a Muslim is a crime.

 

[FearGod]

Apart from the part where I'd be, you know, beaten up for refusing to obey my husband.

Not true, women are free to be separated from their husbands, women can never
be forced by any means, just lies.

Women in many parts of the world are sex objects, they do anything to attract men,
girls at the age of 11 years in the younow showing their bodies and saying sexy words,
i don't like to live in such kind of societies because i care about my family.

 

[icehorse]

I didn't talk about criminals of Muslims
There are lots of criminals everywhere no matter what religion they behold

Ah, so when you talk about "suffering" in the ME, you have a list of some of the suffering in mind, but not all the suffering. Please tell us which types of suffering you are not including in your argument.

 

[FearGod]

In my opinion, one of the closest things we have to an agreement by Muslims of what Islam means is the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam (CDHRI). This declaration was created by the OIC in 1990. Here's some of what I disagree with in the CDHRI:

- women don't have equal rights to men.
- sharia should be used as the world's legal system
- apostasy is a crime
- blasphemy is a crime
- politcal dissent is a crime

What that have to do with Islam and the quran?

 

[Rival]

Not true, women are free to be separated from their husbands, women can never
be forced by any means, just lies.

Women in many parts of the world are sex objects, they do anything to attract men,
girls at the age of 11 years in the younow showing their bodies and saying sexy words,
i don't like to live in such kind of societies because i care about my family.

Being a Christian I agree with the second part, but according to Qur'an women are inferior to men and can be beaten as a last resort for refusing to obey.

 

[interminable]

They are petrified to leave Islam because the penalty is death. If not death the loss of connexion with family and friends. People are brainwashed into Islam well and truly.

Also, what did the west do to incite Shia-Sunni madness? Not a thing. People being punished for being raped? Homosexuals punished? Is this all the west's fault now?

Just god knows how much money Britain spends to make conflict between Shia and sunny
And definitely u have never heard of.

If death wasn't a penalty of it every day a Christian or jew converted to Islam and then left it to undermine people's faith and disturb society's calmness
Everyday we should expect someone to say I'm new prophet new imam and savior
This can't be.

 

[Rival]

What that have to do with Islam and the quran?

Nothing obviously...

Apart from rules regarding apostasy, female submission, Sharia...

 

[icehorse]

What that have to do with Islam and the quran?

Are you saying that the OIC doesn't understand Islam and the Quran? Are you asking us to believe that you have more expertise in Islam than the entire OIC?

 

[icehorse]

Just god knows how much money Britain spends to make conflict between Shia and sunny
And definitely u have never heard of.

The conflict between Shia and Sunni has been going on for over a 1000 years.

 

[Rival]

Just god knows how much money Britain spends to make conflict between Shia and sunny
And definitely u have never heard of.

If death wasn't a penalty of it every day a Christian or jew converted to Islam and then left it to undermine people's faith and disturb society's calmness
Everyday we should expect someone to say I'm new prophet new imam and savior
This can't be.

Your one virtue is that, if your avatar is you, you are very good-looking. Glad you have that going for you.

 

[FearGod]

Those who think that living in your societies will find happiness is utterly wrong.
https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

 

[FearGod]

Nothing obviously...

Apart from rules regarding apostasy, female submission, Sharia...

Quote from the quran, which laws that you find problematic?

 

[icehorse]

Quote from the quran, which laws that you find problematic?

So you don't recognize the expertise of the OIC?

 

[FearGod]

Are you saying that the OIC doesn't understand Islam and the Quran? Are you asking us to believe that you have more expertise in Islam than the entire OIC?

Do you think that I understand Islam as the terrorists do?
Many stupid scholars everywhere, why to blame Islam?