I Am A Good Person, Therefore, I'm Going To Heaven!

[URAVIP2ME]

In the beginning of this thread, I said: "I believe in God the Father, his son, Jesus, and Gods written word. I also said, I do not believe religions, or the bible are from God.
God written word are in the scrolls. Jesus is in the scrolls. There are over fifty scrolls. The bible was constructed under the, Emperor Constantine, who did not believe in our God, (Christian) but made the State religion A Christian(sic) religion. He knew there was more power controlling the people with a religion. many of the scriptures are as they were in the scrolls, but many words have been changed. Only four scrolls were used. Read the scrolls, you will find there is a big difference between the scrolls and the bible. Jesus and those who followed him, used the scrolls...God's word never has to be up dated, or changed.
Adam was in Paradise. (earth.) Father and the angels are in Heaven. No where in the scrolls, or the bible does it say men go to heaven....check it out..."The meek will inherit the earth, and reside on it forever."

No one who died before Jesus died will ' go to heaven ' - John 3:13; Acts of the Apostles 2:34, but those who Jesus made a covenant with will, such as those of Luke 22:28-30
They are what Jesus referred to as a smaller number or ' little flock ' - Luke 12:32. They are part of a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6
The majority of mankind ( Psalms 37:10-11,29; Matthew 5:5 ) are part of a larger number, or the ' other sheep ' mentioned at John 10:16
The majority have a future earthly resurrection under Christ. That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.......

 

[Demonslayer]

No one who died before Jesus died will ' go to heaven ' - John 3:13; Acts of the Apostles 2:34, but those who Jesus made a covenant with will, such as those of Luke 22:28-30
They are what Jesus referred to as a smaller number or ' little flock ' - Luke 12:32. They are part of a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6
The majority of mankind ( Psalms 37:10-11,29; Matthew 5:5 ) are part of a larger number, or the ' other sheep ' mentioned at John 10:16

You've got this backwards. The vast, vast majority of human beings lived in the ~200,000 years they existed before Jesus, and a comparatively small number have existed in the ~2000 years post-Jesus.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Greetings
It wasn't known before?
who is talking in Hebrews 8:8-9, in your opinion?

Isn't Paul talking at Hebrews 8:7-9 referring to Jeremiah talking at Jeremiah 31:31-32 ?_______
Hebrews 8:7 also being in connection to Hebrews 7:11; Hebrews 7:18

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You've got this backwards. The vast, vast majority of human beings lived in the ~200,000 years they existed before Jesus, and a comparatively small number have existed in the ~2000 years post-Jesus.

Even though planet Earth is older than 200,000 years, that does Not mean Adam goes back to some 200,000 years ago.
Plus, a large population was destroyed in Noah's day.
Post-Jesus years includes those resurrected to Heaven of Revelation 20:6, ones resurrected on Earth, and the ' sheep ' alive on Earth of Matthew 25:31-33 who can remain alive on Earth.

 

[Demonslayer]

Even though planet Earth is older than 200,000 years, that does Not mean Adam goes back to some 200,000 years ago.

Homo sapiens first appeared around 200,000 years ago.

 

[Demonslayer]

Plus, a large population was destroyed in Noah's day.

Oh yeah that's right, the great do-over.

 

[muhammad_isa]

No one who died before Jesus died will ' go to heaven '...

What are you on about now?
Are you saying that all the former prophets and their righteous followers won't go to paradise/heaven?

NB You still haven't told me if you are one of those people who won't die?

 

[savagewind]

No one who died before Jesus died will ' go to heaven ' - John 3:13; Acts of the Apostles 2:34, but those who Jesus made a covenant with will, such as those of Luke 22:28-30
They are what Jesus referred to as a smaller number or ' little flock ' - Luke 12:32. They are part of a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6
The majority of mankind ( Psalms 37:10-11,29; Matthew 5:5 ) are part of a larger number, or the ' other sheep ' mentioned at John 10:16
The majority have a future earthly resurrection under Christ. That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.......

Jehovah will resurrect people. Correct? You say Jehovah can not resurrect anyone to heaven who lived before Jesus lived. Do you have proof of this?
John 3:17 is not proof, but it might be evidence that nobody made it to heaven until Jesus made the way. Why is the way closed to the cloud of witnesses after their resurrection (Hebrews 12:1), according to you?

 

[Desert Snake]

Isn't Paul talking at Hebrews 8:7-9 referring to Jeremiah talking at Jeremiah 31:31-32 ?_______
Hebrews 8:7 also being in connection to Hebrews 7:11; Hebrews 7:18

In Hebrews 8:8-9, who is the Deity/title, that is making the statements? The 'father', or the son? This is in context to Deity titles
put another way, are those verses referring to the father, or the son?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What are you on about now?
Are you saying that all the former prophets and their righteous followers won't go to paradise/heaven?
NB You still haven't told me if you are one of those people who won't die?

Please keep in mind Matthew 24:13 because the one who endures to the end is saved ( rescued / delivered )
So, we need to endure to either the end of one's life, or endure to the coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth according to Matthew 25:31-33,37
Jesus is the Judge as to whom he judges as being righteous ones - Matthew 25:37 - that is Not for us to decide.

I am saying that paradise and heaven are two (2) different places:
In Scripture paradise was located in the Garden of Eden located on Earth for mankind - Psalms 115:16
Heaven was where the pre-human Jesus lived before God sent Jesus to Earth.
ALL who died before Jesus died will Not go to heaven - John 3:13; Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39
That includes King David - Acts of the Apostles 2:34, and John the Baptizer - Matthew 11:11
When they are resurrected back to healthy physical life on Earth they can be ' Princes ' on earth - Psalms 45:16 B; Ezekiel 34:24; Isaiah 32:1
Since Jesus is King, then there will be No more need for earthly kings but the faithful of old - Hebrews 11 - will have divinely appointed positions on Earth - Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14

 

[URAVIP2ME]

In Hebrews 8:8-9, who is the Deity that is making the statements? The 'father', or the son? This is in context to Deity titles
put another way, are those verses referring to the father, or the son?

If you look at Paul's corresponding cross-reference verses at Jeremiah 31:31-32 then the Deity person making the statements is the Father.

Who was the One who brought the Israelites out of Egypt - Exodus 12:51

 

[savagewind]

ALL who died before Jesus died will Not go to heaven - John 3:13; Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39

DID not go to heaven. You are adding to scripture. You might* be judged severely for it.

*will, but I shouldn't say that.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I am saying that paradise and heaven are two (2) different places:
...

Does it matter?
The only thing that really matters is if we end up in hell..
I realise that you don't believe in it .. you believe in our souls being "dissolved" .. much like the disbeliever says that there is no such thing as life after death

It remains to be seen

 

[moorea944]

Does it matter?
The only thing that really matters is if we end up in hell..
I realise that you don't believe in it .. you believe in our souls being "dissolved" .. much like the disbeliever says that there is no such thing as life after death

It remains to be seen

So are you saying that we are "given" a soul? If so, when....

Plus, why does it have to be a disbeliever to not believe in life after death? What makes you think that when we die, we still live... Doesnt God tell us that we all die? Why add things into that... just curious...

 

[leibowde84]

Careful about those doubts, they have a way of sinking their teeth in.

Nothing wrong with doubts. Just as there is nothing wrong with lacking belief in god.

 

[muhammad_isa]

So are you saying that we are "given" a soul? If so, when....

..at about 4 months old when we are in our mother's womb..

Plus, why does it have to be a disbeliever to not believe in life after death? What makes you think that when we die, we still live... Doesnt God tell us that we all die?...

Orthodox Christians believe that Jesus taught that there is life after death, as do Muslims

Atheists say that there is no evidence that this is the case. They say our conscience is a "projection" of our brains

 

[McBell]

..at about 4 months old when we are in our mother's womb..

Source please.

 

[savagewind]

I want to know why jumping to the conclusion that Daniel and John the Baptist will never go to Heaven is all right. @URAVIP2ME

Mark 12:27
Matthew 22:32
Luke 20:38

I might be alive to Jehovah but I fear I am dead to the Jehovah's Witnesses and @katiemygirl

 

[muhammad_isa]

Source please.

Can you not use a search engine ?
I can offer you tomato ketchup

 

[Thief]

Currently I believe in God, but sometimes I have my doubts. I'm constantly exploring my faith trying to figure out whether it makes sense. My only claim of knowledge is that I don't have enough information to settle on spirit or substance being first absolutely. And I wholeheartedly disagree that a choice must be made.

I believe a choice is required

and I believe the choosing that counts belongs to God and heaven

I have chosen in the hope of being....chosen

no cause to choose of mediocrity