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Does Anyone Take the Story of Noah's Ark Literally?
- Thread starter PackJason
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First Baseman
Retired athlete
Got anything to back that statement up?
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Well, if they are unbiased, impartial scientists trying to learn the truth, why shouldn't they consider all possibilities?
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
BEN STEIN: What do you think is the possibility that Intelligent Design might turn out to be the answer to some issues in genetics or in evolution?
DAWKINS: Well, it could come about in the following way. It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved, probably by some kind of Darwinian means, probably to a very high level of technology, and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Now that is a possibility, and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it’s possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Actually, there are quite a few people like me. Not only with similarities in dress and tastes in music, but other people with Asperger's syndrome, and so much alike in appearance that complete strangers have mistaken me for someone they know and started a conversation with me assuming I am this person they know.
Actually it is rather mundane, because of these billions of Earth-like planets, they have much of the same stuff we do, and are even considered capable of supporting life. And there is also the question of silicon-based lifeforms, rather than carbon-based lifeforms.
We actually have picked up some signals from space. We don't know from where or from whom or from what, but we have received some.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
And clearly he didn't mean god.
PackJason
I make up facts.
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You're actually quoting from Ben Stein's propaganda movie? And FYI: Dawkins was not talking about ID here. This have been completely debunked by Dawkins himself. It was a hack editing job done by Stein to create a "gotcha" moment.
Weak Sauce.
Of course.
All right: set aside literalism. What message do you take from the flood story when you interpret it non-literally?
PackJason
I make up facts.
The same reason doctors don't leave open the possibility of the "Stork Theory" as to where babies come from.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
he retracted / reworded the statement, but you can see the original here, very good editing if it is a fake!
But he is not unique, Hoyle was a renowned atheist who also came to consider ID in some form as a solution 'A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question'
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
Of course not, anything but God!
PackJason
I make up facts.
Search youtube for Dawkins' rebuttal.
Dawkins in no way believes in the notion of ID. The furthest he has gone is to say that it isn't impossible (though very unlikely) that life got here by way of some sort of extra celestial source, but then added that if that is the case, that life form wouldn't be a god.
PackJason
I make up facts.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
You are completely unique, even if you had an identical twin.
Point being that vast numbers on one side of the scale, mean nothing without looking at the other.
Most 'Earthlike' planets as referred to in click bait press releases are far from it.
we can tell little other than a vague sense of size, and whether the orbit is in a 'habitable zone' which is like deciphering a vague outline of arms and legs in a stick figure and calling it 'human like'
One of the most renowned Earth-like planets- Gliese 581g, turned out to probably not exist at all.
It's interesting that atheists invariably take the simplest blip drifting across space to be convincing evidence of intelligently created math (wow signal)
Yet a vast list of functional universal constants, equations, algorithms permeating the universe, can be dismissed as blundering into existence for no particular reason!
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I think it's the least improbable explanation, weighing everything up. I was born and raised atheist, and was pretty comfortable with that for a long time.
So I can prove just one thing: my opinion is totally unreliable!
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Bad comparison. Storks obviously don't deliver babies but abiogenesis could require a miracle to occur since no one has any idea how it did occur, if it did. (Of course it didn't but I'm humoring you here.)
If having no idea how things could occur entails miracles, then lightnings were miracles generated by Thor at the time of the Vikings.
Are you a sort of modern Viking?
Ciao
- viole
PackJason
I make up facts.
Then you're still left explaining where god came from. All including god to the equation does is make the question more convoluted.