Why I've begun to fear Trump

[Revoltingest]

I don't know how anyone gets that impression. A huge portion of Trump's babbling seems to be about using military force against Muslim terrorists.

And this is a definite problem with him.
But he also promotes negotiation & getting along with our potential foes.
Hillary, OTOH, has a strong record of waging war, & now threatens Iran.
So it's a judgement call which is worse....the one who threatens, or the one who has waged war & also threatens.

In any case, he says one thing one day and something else the next--and it doesn't seem to bother him at all. I feel certain that the slightest frustration of his agenda would make his head go off like a bomb.

Aye, I don't find his pronouncements reliable.

This is legislation Congress will have to pass. I doubt that, on the remote chance he is elected, he will have a very cooperative Congress. His own party wants to oust him from the race.

I suspect, based upon his having been a developer & landlord, that he'd alter his expectations to match what is achievable.
This is something one learns in the business.

Who knows what "pro-Second Amendment" means?

Based upon what it means to me, ie, preserving the rights we have, & securing a few more, he's the stronger candidate.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is perhaps a different issue. But it disturbs me how easily U.S. Presidents are able to start wars. "Military actions", "Police actions", "Military advisors", or even "Peace keepers" are some terms that are used to get past Congress. And even when the Congress is consulted they usually lack the backbone to challenge the President in the on the issue of war. I know by the letter of the Constitution war should always be a decision of the Congress, but in recent history it doesn't seem to work that way. The Bush administration bullied and lied to Congress, and I think Trump would do the same if not worse. (ok, maybe it wasn't a different issue after all.)

And here is the clip of Bob Woodward asking how Trump would make Mexico pay for the wall. He responds by talking about his plan for rejuvenating the military.

opps, hang on

This where I find Bernie offering some appeal, ie, his strong anti-hawk record & current stance.
I find this significant both economically & ethically.
Were I to consider actually voting for him, I'd have to look into his position on defense (which is a very different issue from foreign adventurism).

 

[Revoltingest]

This is perhaps a different issue. But it disturbs me how easily U.S. Presidents are able to start wars. "Military actions", "Police actions", "Military advisors", or even "Peace keepers" are some terms that are used to get past Congress. And even when the Congress is consulted they usually lack the backbone to challenge the President in the on the issue of war. I know by the letter of the Constitution war should always be a decision of the Congress, but in recent history it doesn't seem to work that way. The Bush administration bullied and lied to Congress, and I think Trump would do the same if not worse. (ok, maybe it wasn't a different issue after all.)

And here is the clip of Bob Woodward asking how Trump would make Mexico pay for the wall. He responds by talking about his plan for rejuvenating the military.

The part I reference starts around 4:10. (It starts with a typical Joe Scarborough softball before he hands it over to a real journalist.)

Actually, it's before this point where he talks of using economic power to accomplish it.
After 4:10, he's responding to a question about using the military, & explaining that our
strength means we won't need to use it.
I can see using economic power, even though that too would be difficult to get thru Congress.
But the military "threat" rings utterly hollow, ie, it's an ambitious & inaccurate inference.

 

[fantome profane]

After 4:10, he's responding to a question about using the military, & explaining that our
strength means we won't need to use it.

I understand that. And it is scary that any adult, much less someone running for President could be so ignorant. You don't threaten other nations with your military unless you intend to use it. This kind of stupidity will either lead to war, or in the best case will lead to America being laughed at. Mexico is not going to do what the American government tells them to, no matter how big their military gets. The U.S. already has the largest most powerful military in the world many times over. Increasing it will not change the U.S. relationship with Mexico in any way whatsoever. The very idea is just unbelievably dangerous and stupid. (not to mention the ethics or economics of it)

 

[Revoltingest]

I understand that. And it is scary that any adult, much less someone running for President could be so ignorant. You don't threaten other nations with your military unless you intend to use it. This kind of stupidity will either lead to war, or in the best case will lead to America being laughed at. Mexico is not going to do what the American government tells them to, no matter how big their military gets. The U.S. already has the largest most powerful military in the world many times over. Increasing it will not change the U.S. relationship with Mexico in any way whatsoever. The very idea is just unbelievably dangerous and stupid. (not to mention the ethics or economics of it)

We can expect that all the candidates' more grandiose plans will be either reduced or abandoned.
The other have been annoying (to me, anyway) in their campaign rhetoric too.

 

[fantome profane]

We can expect that all the candidates' more grandiose plans will be either reduced or abandoned.
The other have been annoying (to me, anyway) in their campaign rhetoric too.

I will say this, I much prefer grandiose plans that appeal to "the better angels of our nature", rather than those that appeal to our fear and hate. Even if none of them are realistic. Trump and not going to build a wall, and Sanders is not going to give free university education. But one of these is at least a good idea. And these do indicate what kind of values these two people have.

 

[Revoltingest]

I will say this, I much prefer grandiose plans that appeal to "the better angels of our nature", rather than those that appeal to our fear and hate. Even if none of them are realistic. Trump and not going to build a wall, and Sanders is not going to give free university education. But one of these is at least a good idea. And these do indicate what kind of values these two people have.

I agree in principal.
But a free university education could be economically devastating if he delivered on what his followers hope for.
The wall would be cheaper, & would address a very real & bad problem.....but then, so would better border control without a wall.

Let Homer Simpson portray what all the current leaders look like to me.....

 

[fantome profane]

Let Homer Simpson portray what all the current leaders look like to me.....

So who is the experienced public servant and who is the sleazy lunatic?

 

[Augustus]

Hilary certainly isn't perfect, but Trump is the most divisive, ignorant, thin-skinned, dishonest polititian I have seen in my life. And, that is saying quite a bit.

I hate Trump and everything he stands for, but I also hate special interest, lobbyist driven politics.

People all over the world are fed up with establishment politics with professional politicians doing the bidding of those who pay the piper. How much does Hillary get paid by the same people who destroyed the economy and ruined the futures of millions?

Politicians who play ball get rewarded with nice fat corporate cheques, the Clintons and Blairs of this world are amongst the worst examples but it applies to pretty much every senior government figure in Western countries.

Just because her rhetoric is less inflammatory doesn't mean that her policies are benign.

Cosy establishment politics is the enemy of the people, I couldn't vote for it after the harm it has done. Enough is enough.

 

[fantome profane]

I hate Trump and everything he stands for, but I also hate special interest, lobbyist driven politics.

People all over the world are fed up with establishment politics with professional politicians doing the bidding of those who pay the piper. How much does Hillary get paid by the same people who destroyed the economy and ruined the futures of millions?

Politicians who play ball get rewarded with nice fat corporate cheques, the Clintons and Blairs of this world are amongst the worst examples but it applies to pretty much every senior government figure in Western countries.

Just because her rhetoric is less inflammatory doesn't mean that her policies are benign.

Cosy establishment politics is the enemy of the people, I couldn't vote for it after the harm it has done. Enough is enough.

But Trump's campaign is mostly funded by a single billionaire. And if elected he will do what is in the best interest of that billionaire who funded his campaign.

 

[Augustus]

But Trump's campaign is mostly funded by a single billionaire. And if elected he will do what is in the best interest of that billionaire who funded his campaign.

I'm saying that were I American, I couldn't conscience a vote for either.

 

[Revoltingest]

So who is the experienced public servant and who is the sleazy lunatic?

I'll let you know when I spot one.

 

[ShivaFan]

Trump is live right now in Boca Raton, FL (3-13-16), he is shaming companies by name who have betrayed the American worker or have moved to Mexico et all, Sunset Cove Amphitheater, 10,000 plus there, watching now via data streaming, fantastic, fantastic, he is locking in victories for this Tuesday.

Meanwhile, the Alternative for Germany (AfD) surged into three state assemblies with scores of victories in Germany, the populist Nationalists are right now screaming in celebration, "Merkel must go!".

On FOX, Trump is on the pre-recorded Hannity show in North Carolina with a large "live" audience and winning scores of veterans over to his "Orange State".

Red State, Blue State, Orange State. Back to the live data streaming from Florida, Trump is non-stop oratory. Amazing. Jobs. The American worker. The audience is exploding in cheers. This guy is amazing. Pure energy, no teleprompter here.

I can't wait until Tuesday night. History. They are screaming "We love you Trump!"...

 

[leibowde84]

I hate Trump and everything he stands for, but I also hate special interest, lobbyist driven politics.

People all over the world are fed up with establishment politics with professional politicians doing the bidding of those who pay the piper. How much does Hillary get paid by the same people who destroyed the economy and ruined the futures of millions?

Politicians who play ball get rewarded with nice fat corporate cheques, the Clintons and Blairs of this world are amongst the worst examples but it applies to pretty much every senior government figure in Western countries.

Just because her rhetoric is less inflammatory doesn't mean that her policies are benign.

Cosy establishment politics is the enemy of the people, I couldn't vote for it after the harm it has done. Enough is enough.

But, Trump has corporate interests in mind just as much as anyone else. And, he's not even paying for his campaign. He is loaning money to his campaign, and he will recoup it from donations anytime he wants, before he ends his candidacy.

Also, he's speaking to an immensely emotional and ignorant part of the US that is highly suceptable to rhetoric and propaganda. If you look at his claims about Bernie Sanders knowingly planting protesters, it should become obvious.

 

[leibowde84]

Trump is live right now in Boca Raton, FL (3-13-16), he is shaming companies by name who have betrayed the American worker or have moved to Mexico et all, Sunset Cove Amphitheater, 10,000 plus there, watching now via data streaming, fantastic, fantastic, he is locking in victories for this Tuesday.

Meanwhile, the Alternative for Germany (AfD) surged into three state assemblies with scores of victories in Germany, the populist Nationalists are right now screaming in celebration, "Merkel must go!".

On FOX, Trump is on the pre-recorded Hannity show in North Carolina with a large "live" audience and winning scores of veterans over to his "Orange State".

Red State, Blue State, Orange State. Back to the live data streaming from Florida, Trump is non-stop oratory. Amazing. Jobs. The American worker. The audience is exploding in cheers. This guy is amazing. Pure energy, no teleprompter here.

I can't wait until Tuesday night. History. They are screaming "We love you Trump!"...

Just to be clear, you are being sarcastic right? I know that might be a stupid question, but I just don't understand Trump followers. So I have trouble telling.

 

[Thief]

For quite awhile now I've been championing Trump's rise in the Republican conventions because if voted in as the Republican nominee it would ensure Clinton's move to the Oval Office.

However, after watching the altercations at the N. C. Trump Rally I realized that Trump has been tapping into a hitherto-for silent chunk of the America population---a good 40-50% of the eligible voters who've never seen a voting machine before. Red neck, knee-jerk, high school dropouts who can't tell one end of a pencil from the other, but absolutely love Trump's take-no- prisoners approach to running the government. Never mind that he's an inept buffoon who believes lying is a legitimate part of doing business, as long as he talks tough and plays to their fears he's their long awaited political messiah.

The one ray of hope is that Hillary's best chance may come from disaffected Republicans who jump ship rather than go down with it.

I agree.....but would rather have a real business man in office than not.

we have suffered long enough under the rule of 'politicians' and the politically correct

 

[leibowde84]

I agree.....but would rather have a real business man in office than not.

we have suffered long enough under the rule of 'politicians' and the politically correct

I guess that's valid, but Trump is so ignorant about pretty much everything else. And, he's a light weight, with the thinnest skin out there. Among the countless other infantile qualities about him, how can he be better?

 

[leibowde84]

I agree.....but would rather have a real business man in office than not.

we have suffered long enough under the rule of 'politicians' and the politically correct

Plus, he inherited 200 million dollars. Is it really fair to say he is a great business man?

 

[Thief]

Plus, he inherited 200 million dollars. Is it really fair to say he is a great business man?

can't say he has failed of such

 

[Thief]

I guess that's valid, but Trump is so ignorant about pretty much everything else. And, he's a light weight, with the thinnest skin out there. Among the countless other infantile qualities about him, how can he be better?

he is not likely to slice words to appease the crowd