An Opinion: Islam Is Not a Religion of Peace

[FearGod]

They weren't convinced, just like you aren't convinced that any religion other than Islam is true. It's not their fault, and an omniscient deity would surely know that humans were incapable of believing things they didn't find convincing.

I should have a reason for not being convinced, for example i reject being called Sunni even though my
parents are, i'm not convinced about Shia and Sunni which both i believe is a man made, Christians
believe about God in flesh which doesn't make sense to me, so it isn't just a blind faith.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I should have a reason for not being convinced, for example i reject being called Sunni even though my
parents are, i'm not convinced about Shia and Sunni which both i believe is a man made, Christians
believe about God in flesh which doesn't make sense to me, so it isn't just a blind faith.

And to many people, Islam doesn't make sense. They don't find it convincing because they haven't seen any evidence to indicate that it is the truth it claims to be. I don't see why they should be punished for that.

 

[Godobeyer]

Ooh, Islamic Hell is sexy. Sounds like Hellraiser. I can't wait to go there and taste its pleasures. Allah is the ultimate sadistic Master. I personally prefer sadistic Dommes, but I'll make an exception for him. Mmm.

as i know in Christianity there is concept of Hell and Paradise ?

if the Paradice is for all ,then why there is Christianity in first place ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Like most scriptures, the Qur'an seems to contradict itself a lot. So every Muslim picks and chooses, producing variation.

lol even Hindu Kirran , please don't say Hindu is special "religion" , had not contradiction and hindus don't pick and choose ?

Muslims are not pick and choose , we had something called "Tafsir" and historic references which explain Quran and Hadith .

 

[Godobeyer]

The verses I posted about Hell are in context. They mean what the text states. How can you interpret away the belief in Hell when it is so conspicuous in the verses' wording? I have no idea, but I think that would probably require a huge amount of mental gymnastics. At least that would be better than believing in eternal torture for large groups of people, though.

that's God business,If you meet God (face to face) , - you said i did not believe in you , and i disagree with eternal Hel .

then God tell you : what is your degree compare to Me, to argue My rules and My decisions ?

what you will respond ?

 

[Debater Slayer]

that's God business,If you meet God (face to face) , - you said i did not believe in you , and i disagree with eternal Hel .

then God tell you : what is your degree compare to Me, to argue My rules and My decisions ?

what you will respond ?

That doesn't sound like a merciful god at all. I don't believe that such a god exists in the first place, so I don't think I will have to think of anything to tell him if I saw ever saw him.

 

[FearGod]

And to many people, Islam doesn't make sense. They don't find it convincing because they haven't seen any evidence to indicate that it is the truth it claims to be. I don't see why they should be punished for that.

Yes you may find it irrational to punish them and i may find it irrational too but that doesn't make it impossible.

 

[Godobeyer]

That doesn't sound like a merciful god at all. I don't believe that such a god exists in the first place, so I don't think I will have to think of anything to tell him if I saw ever saw him.

but you don't reply to my Question .about judgement day .

if He tell you : what is your degree compare to Me, to argue/disagree with My rules and My decisions ?

 

[Debater Slayer]

but you don't reply to my Question .about judgement day .

if He tell you : what is your degree compare to Me, to argue/disagree with My rules and My decisions ?

I don't know. I would have to be in the situation to know. That's why I think such questions can't be answered accurately from a purely hypothetical perspective.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Yes you may find it irrational to punish them and i may find it irrational too but that doesn't make it impossible.

And it doesn't make it true or likely. Besides, true or not, I think that glorifying the torture of people for mere non-belief is intolerant and hateful. That's the point I'm making here.

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't know. I would have to be in the situation to know. That's why I think such questions can't be answered accurately from a purely hypothetical perspective.

because that's the situation that you will face , so you need to prepare your answser from now .

because thats the question that you asked to you .

 

[Debater Slayer]

because that's the situation that you will face , so you need to prepare your answser from now .

because thats the question that you asked to you .

I believe the above statement has as much truth to it as the statement that a flying whale will eat me in the afterlife, so... meh.

 

[outhouse]

My conclusion: Islam is not a religion of peace, and saying that it is usually means one of two things: the person who says so is either overlooking the above verses (sometimes on top of a plethora of authentic hadiths, in the case of Muslims who accept hadiths), or they see no signs of intolerance or hatred in those verses. In either case, the texts themselves don't change, further proving that the main problem of promoting intolerance and hatred lies with the religion itself, not just many of its followers.

I do agree.

But I also think more people confuse literalism of the text in islam WITH the muslim followers who for the majority are not violent.


My only issue with islam is the same as all religions, but more so, as the required amount of fanaticism tends to be deeper in volume then all other Abrahamic based religions.

 

[Deidre]

In truth though, many Christian denominations preach 'fire and brimstone' type sermons on Sundays, complete with messages that seem to point to passages in the Bible that suggest Christians should shun homosexuals, and not mingle with people who are 'unequally yoked.' Jesus talked about Hell, and He described the path to Heaven as 'straight and narrow.' Sounds like He felt it would be tough for many to make it to Heaven.

I studied Islam for a short time as some here know, and not only studied it, but prayed the prayers, and fell in love with the mystical side of Islam (Sufism) In my readings of the Qur'an, it seemed to me that Muhammad spoke to people as he was experiencing his time period. I happen to think similar things of the Bible. Should I be wearing a head covering when praying, as Paul suggested in the Bible? Should I abstain from pork, and not be out alone without a man ''chaperoning'' me? There are SO many passages in the Bible that I think serve as historical backdrops, and they shouldn't be ignored, but they shouldn't be idolized and followed. PLUS...if you live in a culture that is governed by secular law, like the US...that law trumps all religions. The reason I didn't pursue Islam is for two reasons: 1) During that time, I wasn't interested in Christianity, but didn't believe the Islam view of Jesus. 2) Sharia Law

Other than that, I liked a lot about the religion.

 

[Deidre]

There is nothing indicating that they should be taken as anything other than the literal word of God. At the very least, the majority of Islamic scholars and mufasirs (scholars who interpret the Qur'an) and the majority of Muslims hold that position.

Fundamentalist Christians think every single word of the Bible should be viewed literally too...thus Creationism, etc. Think it's all about interpretation. I don't believe the Bible should be taken 100% literally, in all passages, does this make me 'less' of a Christian? To some, yes. I don't think it's fair to say that a Muslim is 'less than' a true Muslim if he doesn't adhere to the Qur'an in a literal sense every step of the way.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Fundamentalist Christians think every single word of the Bible should be viewed literally too...thus Creationism, etc. Think it's all about interpretation. I don't believe the Bible should be taken 100% literally, in all passages, does this make me 'less' of a Christian? To some, yes. I don't think it's fair to say that a Muslim is 'less than' a true Muslim if he doesn't adhere to the Qur'an in a literal sense every step of the way.

Well, like I said, some of those Qur'anic verses are so direct that I think it would take mental gymnastics to take them to mean anything but what the words state. I would much rather people engaged in mental gymnastics than took such verses literally, though.

 

[Deidre]

Well, like I said, some of those Qur'anic verses are so direct that I think it would take mental gymnastics to take them to mean anything but what the words state. I would much rather people engaged in mental gymnastics than took such verses literally, though.

Times were quite different when these texts were written. But, mankind...everyyyywhere...is still pretty violent...and much violence we see in the US for example, has little to do with religion. Religion is often an excuse or scapegoat of psychopaths for their depraved behavior, like ISIS. Just my take.

 

[FearGod]

And it doesn't make it true or likely. Besides, true or not, I think that glorifying the torture of people for mere non-belief is intolerant and hateful. That's the point I'm making here.

I asked myself a similar question about the sons of Israel, God said in the quran that he'll let them dwelling the earth and
then he'll bring them back to Jerusalem coming from all over the earth, and he said that he'll let them better than the others
and they'll do corruption, i asked myself why he brings them back and why to punish the sons of Israel after decades of dwelling
the earth, did it happen, the answer yes it did, does what God did make sense to us, no it doesn't.

That's my point, doesn't make sense to us doesn't mean it won't happen as God promised it to be.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I asked myself a similar question about the sons of Israel, God said in the quran that he'll let them dwelling the earth and
then he'll bring them back to Jerusalem coming from all over the earth, and he said that he'll let them better than the others
and they'll do corruption, i asked myself why he bring them back and why to punish the sons of Israel after decades of dwelling
the earth, did it happen, the answer yes it did, does what God did make sense to us, no it doesn't.

That's my point, doesn't make sense to us doesn't mean it won't happen as God promised it to be.

I can see your point, and I already responded to it in my previous reply to you. True or not, that's no reason to glorify torture of non-believers. Doing so is morally repellent, in my opinion, and only serves to demonize other groups.

 

[FearGod]

I can see your point, and I already responded to it in my previous reply to you. True or not, that's no reason to glorify torture of non-believers. Doing so is morally repellent, in my opinion, and only serves to demonize other groups.

For the sake of argument, assume that you were 100% sure that there is a punishment for the disbelievers, will you then believe ?